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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28151: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:08:15 PM

It's weird because Norman Osborn was legitimately crazy only to be gradually retconned into a horribly awful and evil person normally.

The worst things Norman has ever done is as his evil businessman persona.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 27th 2023 at 9:08:53 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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#28152: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:09:36 PM

Ironic, since Sins Past happened because the initial idea got vetoed and JMS went with a horrible back-up plan to preserve the set-up that had already been done.

So I'm pretty certain someone is going to eventually try to retcon the AI Mephisto twin thing and end up making things worse or stupider or more confusing when their initial idea is blocked by editors.

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 27th 2023 at 12:12:01 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#28153: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:09:57 PM

[up][up]He's a bad man made worse by the Goblin formula as Peter notes in Romita's first issue.

Like he was a neglectful dad who DID try to bond with Harry by spoiling him but it's clear he was emotionally distant, and there's that stunt with him framing Stromm for embezzlement.

All before getting the Goblin formula.

[up] JMS could have easily made them clones by Norman made just to fuck with Peter.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 28th 2023 at 12:10:24 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28154: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:57:22 PM

You could argue that, sans Goblin Formula, Norman would be the bad in The Good, the Bad, and the Evil. The Good of course being Pete and the Evil literally being Satan, I mean Mephisto.

Problem is, like with ol' Scratch now being tightly welded to the Spider-Man continuity despite how no one wants him to, Norman is just...too evil. Norman will always be associated with his Goblin days. He's already basically the devil given the amount of evil shit he's done. Even having Norman pull a Diabolico and be the last guy in a mosh pit of assholes dragging Mephisto into a pocket universe of being punched in the nads still wouldn't really feel earned. Norman isn't a Noble Demon, he's just an asshole and we've never gotten any reason to believe he won't be one again one day.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28155: Jun 27th 2023 at 10:26:27 PM

Yeah, I prefer Norman to be this evil supervillain, but having Mephisto tied to him just weakens his character.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28156: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:01:12 PM

Eh, selling Harry to Mephisto doesn't make Norman any less or more of a monster. It just shows what sort of person Norman is.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28157: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:02:07 PM

It’s less that and more Mephisto having control over Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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#28158: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:19:30 PM

I guess if Peter can have an unnecessary mystical benefactor with the spider totem stuff, it’s only fair his arch enemy gets one too

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28159: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:20:40 PM

I don't have an issue with Spider-Man dealing with Mephisto.

I have an issue with Mephisto winning.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28160: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:27:42 PM

Mephisto will always have this over Spider-Man because Marvel Editiorial is protecting him.

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#28161: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:28:10 PM

Marvel Editorial Phisto Spider-Man right in the life

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28162: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:19:45 AM

Mephisto is bored and just wants to fuck with Peter would have been an appropriate answer to OMD.

But him being scared shitless of Mayday is funny.

Frankly I don't mind the Kindred Saga because it gave me this Punchline

Norman thought he blew Gwen's back out but just fucked Mysterio in a blonde wig.

Literally family guy

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28163: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:21:20 AM

Did he really fuck Mysterio?

I thought Mysterio just hypnotized him into thinking he fucked Gwen.

Mysterio isn't that kind of method actor.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28164: Jun 28th 2023 at 3:19:42 AM

It's a joke because Norman had to have fucked something.

Either he humped a body pillow for a couple of hilarious minutes or Mephisto really "got into character".

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 28th 2023 at 3:20:10 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28165: Jun 28th 2023 at 3:21:52 AM

Norman fucking Mysterio is funny but him fucking Mephisto is comedy gold.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 28th 2023 at 6:22:00 PM

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28166: Jun 28th 2023 at 3:32:38 AM

Wouldn't be the first time Mephisto transformed into a woman.

The ultimate prank.

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he/him
#28167: Jun 28th 2023 at 4:03:43 AM

Sounds more like the Chameleon's method acting rather than Mysterio's.

Although does it actually need to have happened? Is there scope for it to be entirely fake memories and hypnotism, with a few cell samples for cloning?

Less funny, I grant you. But.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28168: Jun 28th 2023 at 4:56:17 AM

I mean, I think Chameleon might be into guys. He confessed he loved Spider-Man once.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28169: Jun 28th 2023 at 5:42:44 AM

Amazing Spider-Man#28

So Zeb's idea of a love triangle for this book isn't Peter/MJ/Felicia, it's Peter/Jonah/Ock's Tentacles

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28170: Jun 28th 2023 at 5:52:02 AM

Fucking do it cowards!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28171: Jun 28th 2023 at 8:04:24 AM

Frankly at this point Zeb is making me beg to bring back Dan Slott's Inheritors, Silk's pheromones and evil Black Cat. At least that Spidey wasn't taking constant Ls, working for Norman "I killed your girl and unborn child Osborn" and creepily holding onto Ms. Marvel's mask post mortem

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 28th 2023 at 8:05:28 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#28172: Jun 28th 2023 at 8:39:45 AM

I've got it! "MJ" is actually Mephisto in disguise...and the real MJ is being held captive in another dimension.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28173: Jun 28th 2023 at 8:47:05 AM

Mephisto pretending to be MJ and fucking a random guy just to spite Peter would be on brand yeah.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28174: Jun 28th 2023 at 8:48:54 AM

MJ stands for Mephisto Jape

Because he’s pulling a prank, bro

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#28175: Jun 28th 2023 at 9:32:35 AM

Again Mephisto likes to swap genders to fuck with Peter going by OMD......

Mephisto: [Takes off MJ Mask] Epic prank bro!


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