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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#28126: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:39:32 AM

[up] Paul and MJ being together was only because of the kids and emotional obligation, so once the process of grief is over, MJ and Paul might enter a phase of relationship revaluation . They could think marriage is the answer (hence the "...yet"), but Peter could challenge MJ again on her feelings for him like he did at the gala, and this time MJ would not have "responsibility" as an excuse

Edited by Zarius on Jun 27th 2023 at 11:40:01 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28127: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:40:31 AM

They have, what, several years together raising those kids? It's not as if the memories vanished too. And any shared grief for losing them is going to be genuine.

(*doesn't know how to respond to this*)

Somebody please just cancel this comic, I beg of you.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 27th 2023 at 2:40:44 PM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#28128: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:56:19 AM

Can they just reveal that "MJ" is a magical doppelganger already?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28129: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:58:37 AM

The real MJ has been stuck in Doc Ock’s tentacles and that’s why they’re so affectionate to Peter

If only he knew

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28130: Jun 27th 2023 at 12:01:24 PM

@Targetmaster: You alright? I mean, I’m sure the book does suck but you seem to be spending a lot of mental energy on this.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#28131: Jun 27th 2023 at 1:47:35 PM

> Can they just reveal that "MJ" is a magical doppelganger already?

-pulls off rubber mask-

"It was me Peter!" cackled [villain of the week]

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28133: Jun 27th 2023 at 3:45:54 PM

[up][up][up] Nah, I'm fine. I'm probably spending a lot of time on Spider-Man circles on Twitter. They really don't like this run on ASM.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28134: Jun 27th 2023 at 5:27:34 PM

I've only read the first issue of this run after Beyond and it was....awful.

Just how bad is it going to get?

I'm spoiled and don't care but...the entire mood of the comic is awful and I've just begun.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28135: Jun 27th 2023 at 6:03:47 PM

TL:DR later-Spencer ASM just make GM tired. Tired and anxious. So much time passed and so much is said in those issue without anything actually happening. Just retcons and people hiding things from each other and backtracking on older stories without anything new being put in the pot.

And honestly, for me, even just listening to people talk about modern-era ASM, or any long running comic book is kind of exhausting. And I like Spider-Man stuff, I like keeping up with the stuff, but man are some of the decisions aggravating.

Edited by Nofix on Jun 27th 2023 at 6:25:17 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#28136: Jun 27th 2023 at 6:07:19 PM

For a long time now, there's been a belief that Spider-Man creatives rag on the fans by having bad things happen to Peter. I've often wondered where this all came from, and how accurate it is. Slott for one has been known to taunt people, but he's also strongly denied his stories, or likely anyone's, are intentional Take That, Audience! screeds.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28137: Jun 27th 2023 at 6:11:47 PM

I liked Spencer's run at first. It felt like it brought a lot of fun and energy to the book. At least before the Kindred stuff kicked into high gear.

I read Beyond out of curiosity and then finished it out of obligation. Didn't bother reading the run after that once I heard that it started with a time skip where Peter exploded and everyone hated him about it.

The end of Spencer was a slog, Beyond was a slog, and they weren't going to get me again.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#28138: Jun 27th 2023 at 6:31:23 PM

Which is really sad, because Beyond sounds like a great idea on paper. Peter is recovering and Ben takes over for a bit. Maybe have some cute moments with Pete and MJ away from the hustle and bustle of hero life, have Ben fight some of Peter's regular enemies, doing better against some and worse against others. It doesn't have to be a long arc, just enough for Pete to recover and Ben to get back into his groove.

But no, someone high up in the chain of command thinks that Spider-Man is an acronym for

Suffering Pain Impotence Despair Excruciation Ridicule Misery Apathy Nihilism

so neither can have success for long.

[down] Thank goodness I have retcon powers otherwise this comment would make me look dumb. tongue

Edited by Nofix on Jun 27th 2023 at 7:36:54 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28139: Jun 27th 2023 at 6:33:43 PM

SPIDER-MAR?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28140: Jun 27th 2023 at 6:43:25 PM

I loved all of Spencer's run.

Boomerang for ever!

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#28141: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:04:26 PM

Spencer’s run was a lot of fun, until it got completely mired in the Kindred stuff, which was not only confusing but came out of absolutely left field and seemed to exist only to retcon something I thought we’d all agreed to pretend didn’t happen anyway.

I enjoyed Beyond, until it became apparent what they were setting up with Ben going forward.

The current run is a mess. The sheer amount of audience-alienating premises makes it almost impossible to objectively judge the quality, but I’d say there’s been nothing outside those which has been good enough to balance it out. The mystery was incredibly frustrating and left to sit for way too long without any real developments, almost like they forgot about it. Not to mention the tastelessness of the recent death. Definitely hoping for it to end.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28142: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:16:23 PM

I think Spencer's strongest stuff was all of the non-Kindred plot lines.

I like all of the Boomerang stuff, that's always a feature, and that one Jameson issue where they go through his history was very cool.

I think if the Kindred stuff had a decent payoff instead of it being Harry Osborn vaguely posturing about OMD or something people would remember his run much more fondly.

Also I'm still confused at why he brought Ned back from the dead when he showed his corpse in an earlier issue.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28143: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:19:04 PM

Technically that was an A.I. of Harry puppeteering the clone children of Gwen and Norman.

And depending on how you view things, said A.I. was being controlled by Mephisto.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28144: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:20:00 PM

And no, none of us agreed to forget it happened.

I was VERY glad it was retconned.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28145: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:20:43 PM

I get retconning it but Spencer really made it unnecessarily complicated

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#28146: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:22:00 PM

The writers certainly did. I think Gabriel or Sarah appeared once afterwards, and there was a decade long gap in appearances between these two stories.

Stories that focused on Gwen's perspective like the clone conspiracy weren't bringing it up, and none of the Norman centric stories were either, and we got a lot of those.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28147: Jun 27th 2023 at 7:24:30 PM

Ironic then, that Spencer's run ended up getting us to talk about Sins Past more.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
PizzaDog11 Pizza is my business from closer than you think Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Pizza is my business
#28148: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:03:22 PM

Yeah that’s more what I was getting at, that the only time Sins Past has even come up recently was to retcon it. Aside from being infamous in the fandom, it’s something that was almost completely ignored in the comics.

Still very glad to be rid of it, even if it was a long and convoluted walk to get there.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#28149: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:05:51 PM

Its clear Spencer wanted to get rid of One More Day but had to settle.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#28150: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:07:07 PM

Making Mephisto Spider-Man's Big Bad is just such a dumb fucking idea though.

And I can't help but feel it was introduced just to make Norman sympathetic enough to ease his transition into Gold Goblin.

Even though it involves selling his son to Mephisto.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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