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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27901: Jun 18th 2023 at 9:57:06 PM

Marvel's issue is that they are unwilling to pull the trigger on the story that will easily make Frank more palatable.

Just have him go after cops, treating them with equal contempt as no different than criminals.

Boom, at least he's going after the right guys there.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27902: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:05:07 PM

Honestly, Punisher works best as a villain that Spider-Man punches IMO.

That's how he debuted.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27904: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:09:40 PM

C'mon Marvel.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27905: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:16:58 PM

Then they both found out about Peter's deal with Mephisto, and Frank shoots Peter in the face in a blind rage for making a deal with the devil to get rid of his happy marriage.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27906: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:26:35 PM

Peter def deserves that.

OMD ruined 616 Peter for me for real.

I just pretend Renew Your Vows Spidey is the real one.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 19th 2023 at 1:26:56 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27907: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:27:49 PM

Just have him go after cops, treating them with equal contempt as no different than criminals.

Frank has, in fact, killed many cops over his career.

Which is why the speech where he lectures them fell flat. He would have beaten the crap out of them or killed them.

The entire Netflix show is also about Frank versus an evil Private Military Contractor company.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 18th 2023 at 10:28:41 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27908: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:38:12 PM

There's a reason why Marvel refuses to let Frank actually kill someone innocent willingly.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27909: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:42:12 PM

Or even by accident. There's been reports of Marvel writers pitching such a story to editors and the editors turning them down.

Honestly, Punisher works best as a villain that Spider-Man punches IMO.

That's how he debuted.

The issue is that Frank's debut story makes it clear he only went after Spider-Man because he thought Spider-Man was a villain. If not for the Jackal deceiving him, he'd have left him alone and that's exactly what he does when he realizes Spider-Man is innocent.

If Conway wanted to show Frank as a villain, he did a lousy job of it. It's why some have difficulty taking his condemnation of the Punisher seriously.

Edited by windleopard on Jun 18th 2023 at 6:46:53 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27910: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:46:19 PM

I think they should flat out address it. "Yes, Frank kills an innocent. Feels bad about it. Ends up getting over it because he's an awful person."

Frank has murdered friends for almost no reason after all and has killed a few innocents under mind control.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27911: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:47:52 PM

As far as I'm aware, the only friend he's killed is Microchip and that was after the latter underwent a Face–Heel Turn.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27912: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:57:11 PM

Yes, he was involved in the CIA's drug smuggling and Frank decided to kill him for it.

He also killed Microchip's replacement after he killed his girlfriend under Hatemonger's power.

But point taken.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 18th 2023 at 10:59:41 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#27913: Jun 19th 2023 at 1:14:27 AM

Jigsaw was the one who killed Rampage (not that it stuck) but Frank probably would have killed him had their fight not been continually interrupted by Skrulls.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27914: Jun 19th 2023 at 4:58:32 AM

So thoughts on Spider Boy as of late

Gotta say the image of him unmasked and saying he's all alone made me actually feel bad for the kid

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 19th 2023 at 4:58:43 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27915: Jun 19th 2023 at 7:26:32 AM

Where did this happen?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27917: Jun 19th 2023 at 7:52:01 AM

Huh.

I gotta say, besides Paul and MJ, almost every other side character is more interesting than whatever the hell Peter is doing in the main comic.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27918: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:01:30 AM

I talked about the new Spider-Boy leaks over a page ago, his full name is Bayley Briggs and Aunt May once knew him but has forgotten. He was established as a hero three years ago according to him

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27919: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:07:07 AM

Honestly could be interesting going forward.

Can't believe Slott was able to make me feel for a quickly memed to death character.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27920: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:15:35 AM

Slott can actually write well, and he has 10 years working on Spider-Man for a reason.

It's just that he overstayed his welcome with dumb shit like Parker Industries.

Superior at least got rid of 616 Pete for a bit, and we did indirectly get RYV because of it.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27921: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:17:33 AM

Spider Boy is an okay concept as long as he doesn’t overstay his welcome like Sentry

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27922: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:40:43 AM

Now see that goes too far with the character.

Not really, the idea that Frank's marriage with Maria was on the rocks before her death isn't new, nor is the idea that he only used their death as an excuse for his killings.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27923: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:43:34 AM

Yeah but thats just one interpretation of the character and there are ones where he was a relatively decent family man who only snapped when he lost them.

Which from what I recall is mostly on Ennies for portraying Frank as more of a total psychopath in it for his own bloodthirst.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 19th 2023 at 8:43:45 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27924: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:50:55 AM

Actually, "Frank is honestly a psychopath and was always a terrible person" dates back to the Punisher: War Journal depictions of him in Vietnam.

If I wanted to read the Frank Castle Deconstruction with his resurrected wife, where would I start?

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27925: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:51:44 AM

The current one by Jason Aaron

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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