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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27826: Jun 17th 2023 at 8:23:14 AM

The original Gwen was at her most interesting when Ditko was writing her as she was an antagonist for Peter in the popular mean girl way. But at the same time she was antagonizing because she secretly liked him and was hurt he snubbed her.

When Stan Lee got back to writing after the falling out with Ditko there was a huge 180 of Gwen was mean girl to smart nice girl but is a worry wort.

It's really ironic given Spider-Gwen's backstory was defending a powerless Peter from bullies when in 616 she was sicking them to him. Granted Peter had powers and brushed them off.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 17th 2023 at 8:25:16 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27827: Jun 17th 2023 at 8:26:12 AM

Yeah. I think that's where things went wrong.

We all love Stan, but the direction he took Gwen in wasn't the best for her.

He apparently based her off his wife, didn't he? I think he also did the same for Sue Storm.

One Strip! One Strip!
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27828: Jun 17th 2023 at 8:33:05 AM

Yes and Gwen going from tsundere bully to loving sweetheart would have worked if given over more time.

But that characterization like Peter's Ditko ego has been lost to time

Adaptations of 616!Gwen just take Stan's characterization of pretty blond genius girl with cop dad and improve upon the foundation. Giving her more to do while making her more understanding of Peter or knows his identity like Emma Stone's version in TASM.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27829: Jun 17th 2023 at 10:37:20 AM

The 2017 cartoon did bring back the mean girl character for Gwen, this time adding in her being a science rival to Peter

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27830: Jun 17th 2023 at 10:59:20 AM

[up] And she wasn't interested in him romantically, paving the way for MJ to be endgame without competition

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27831: Jun 17th 2023 at 11:14:58 AM

Amusingly I watched this video of the Spider-Punisher what-if and it has a surprisingly happy ending with Peter giving up Spider-Man to be with Hwen

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27832: Jun 17th 2023 at 12:11:31 PM

the moral of the story is that peter's got to start stacking bodies

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27833: Jun 17th 2023 at 12:15:17 PM

His life would be a lot better if Norman was dead, that much has been true for basically his entire career.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27834: Jun 17th 2023 at 12:27:19 PM

Or at the least, If Norman hadn't regained his memories.

One Strip! One Strip!
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#27835: Jun 17th 2023 at 2:18:07 PM

So uh....Am I missing something or how did Peter die there?

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27836: Jun 17th 2023 at 5:42:52 PM

Just wait until the sequel story where Peter ends the clone saga very quickly by shooting Ben Reilly.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27837: Jun 17th 2023 at 6:03:37 PM

I loved GIANT SIZE GWEN STACY by Christos Gage and think it's one of the best comics in the past decade. It was meant to be a miniseries but sadly they only did two issues. Her and Harry Osborne solving crimes!

Yuri Watanabe and Jean Dewolfe guest star!

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27838: Jun 17th 2023 at 11:40:05 PM

Spider-Boy's face reveal was leaked

His full name is Bailey Briggs and he's a redhead

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27839: Jun 18th 2023 at 12:06:19 AM

Just finished Spider-Man Beyond. I'm really behind.

Wow, someone really liked NEXTWAVE and hated Ben Reilly, didn't they?

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27840: Jun 18th 2023 at 1:25:43 AM

Nah @Handsome Rob just kill Norman even in life story Peter calling the cops on the guy and having him arrested didn't help. Clone Saga still happened with Gwen dying via Harry this time.

Norman is just one of those guys that needs to die for Peter to have a less miserable life.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27841: Jun 18th 2023 at 2:58:02 AM

[up] Yeah, part of what makes Spider-Girl so enjoyable is Norman's gone. There's still Goblin threats (Normie and Fury) but they're manageable (and in Normie's case, without Norman or Harry around he's quickly redeemed).

Norman does manage a comeback towards the end of the run but he gets his ass kicked by everyone, even Aunt May's ghost.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 18th 2023 at 2:59:57 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27842: Jun 18th 2023 at 3:46:26 AM

And now he’s Peter’s boss because the writers are in full fuck the fanbase mode lol.

Funnily enough, his interactions with Peter in the Slott run are way better than anything in the main comic.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27843: Jun 18th 2023 at 3:57:00 AM

It's why I was firmly against the decision to end the Red Goblin arc with Norman arrested and just thinking he's Cletus Cassidy.

Some villains are just better off dying with that last run defining their legacy.

Kraven had that with Last Hunt and I will always stand by it was the worst idea to resurrect him.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27844: Jun 18th 2023 at 4:00:05 AM

Nah @lalalei2001 Peter got an unambiguous happy ending all his rogues are dead including Norman, he eloped with Gwen and he gave up the mask.

Punisher!Peter has the brightest future out of any Peter Parker sans Peter B. Parker whose married to MJ with an adorable baby Mayday.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27845: Jun 18th 2023 at 4:00:52 AM

I think most people agree on that.

Also, it wasn't until I started interacting with online fandom that I realized Kraven was considered a poor villain.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27846: Jun 18th 2023 at 4:03:41 AM

Ehhh with Norman, there’s a lot of great stories with him back and him coming back was the only good part of the Clone Saga.

Kraven is the type of villain who is better off dead since they haven’t done anything good with him and he’s nowhere near as good a villain as Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27847: Jun 18th 2023 at 4:17:08 AM

Nah Norman's had more bad than good stories where it's gotten to the point where he's become an out for bad writing.

How do we explain The Clone Saga and Peter's miscarried child: Norman

We can't have Peter be the father of these adult children of Gwen: Norman's

We gotta give Peter his body back readers are getting annoyed: Norman

We gotta return Otto to a regular villain now: Norman and Mephisto

Now we have Peter working for the man who killed his lover (Gwen), daughter (Mayday), clone brother (Ben Reiley) and friend (Flash) all because wrtiter insist that Peter can't get rid of Norman no matter what and they've currently ran out of villain ideas for him. So it's weird Gold Goblin time.

Even though the smart thing was to have killed Norman off after Gwen's death and never looked back.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27848: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:18:19 AM

The funny thing is that I could actually have completely accepted Sin's Past.

Make the children HARRY'S.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27849: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:24:52 AM

Yeah as Linkara said would have made sense.

Gwen was caring for the recently relapsing Harry.

Gwen and Harry had a relationship prior to her and Peter.

Gwen's and Peter's were strained die to Captain Stacy's death and Spider-Man

Could have been a simple mistake both regretted.

Or just have Gabriel and Sarah be little kids no more than 8 to not "age up" Peter too much. Because Normie, Harry's son with Liz, is literally in that age range.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27850: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:40:38 AM

I think bringing back Kraven was a bad idea, but killing off Kravwn to replace him with his identical clone son is, like, a simpsons bit.

And as someone who liked the unhuntable Sergei stuff in Squirrel Girl, I was fine with taking the character in New directions.


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