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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27802: Jun 16th 2023 at 1:22:47 AM

Even Slott indicated in his book last week that Peter wasn't seeing Felicia any longer

Edited by Zarius on Jun 16th 2023 at 1:23:08 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27803: Jun 16th 2023 at 1:25:37 AM

Wondering if they'll have him hook up with MJ or just come up with a new love interest who will be forgotten in a year or so.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27805: Jun 16th 2023 at 4:14:44 AM

Rest in peace to John Romita Sr.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27806: Jun 16th 2023 at 9:39:53 AM

So I did some digging into the Voices issue and there's a barely noticeable editor's note saying the Felicia story takes place before Peter started asking Felicia out.

MetaSkipper the Prodigal from right behind you... Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
the Prodigal
#27807: Jun 16th 2023 at 9:47:45 AM

That does seem like an important bit of context.

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27808: Jun 16th 2023 at 10:13:35 AM

[up] It really reads like the editor's not was placed there last minute to save Felicia some face, I don't think it entirely works.

And there's still that issue Slott wrote last week.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27809: Jun 16th 2023 at 10:15:51 AM

nothing slott writes should be considered in continuity

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27810: Jun 16th 2023 at 10:16:38 AM

[up] He does seem to take digs at Felicia in this run.

Mind you, he takes digs at all of Peter's main girls.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27811: Jun 16th 2023 at 10:17:58 AM

It's in the first panel, and I thought the colouring made it relatively prominent, but YMMV.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/f01234d9_c1a9_41ed_8c67_932d11765451.jpeg

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 16th 2023 at 6:18:09 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27812: Jun 16th 2023 at 10:33:42 AM

I think Kamala's death issue would be improved if Spider-Boy was there too, personally. He's the levity this run needs.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27813: Jun 16th 2023 at 11:02:40 AM

[up][up] For some reason when I noticed the note the first time, I just thought it was describing the location and didn't pay it mind. After reading on another forum the note existed I checked the page again.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27814: Jun 16th 2023 at 12:43:08 PM

I admit I am a Felicia/Peter fan even when it's inevitably a dumpster fire.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27815: Jun 16th 2023 at 5:33:07 PM

@Saiga

Honestly, I've been enjoying bits of his run a LOT more than the main comic.

I actually prefer following Peter's and Norman's antics more than Paul and fridging Mr. Marvel.

Not that it's saying much.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 16th 2023 at 8:33:16 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27816: Jun 17th 2023 at 6:31:29 AM

Textless preview of "What If Dark...Spider-Gwen?"

It's almost as if you can tell what parts are Conway and what parts are Houser.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27817: Jun 17th 2023 at 6:32:40 AM

So Spider-Man's about to get his own dark multiverse ehh?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27818: Jun 17th 2023 at 6:38:03 AM

[up] It's a weird rebrand given with some very tine exclusions, What If in books has often had bleak outcomes anyway

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27819: Jun 17th 2023 at 7:18:01 AM

[up][up][up] I'll be 100% I don't have faith Gerry Conway will write Gwen effectively.

Given he famously referred to her as a nothing character then killed her off because he preferred MJ and Peter together and he couldn't kill off Aunt May for shock value at the time.

It's asking Jim Starlin who wrote "A Death in The Family" and hated Jason to write a what if Jason lived but Bruce died story.

Ironically Jason was a Gerry Conway creation but very different at the time.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 17th 2023 at 7:18:17 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27820: Jun 17th 2023 at 7:51:21 AM

During the original Spider-Verse he wrote a Spider-Gwen story and did not treat her harshly there.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27821: Jun 17th 2023 at 7:51:53 AM

[up][up]Doesn't help Gwen went through a lot of inconsistent character changes.

Then again, Gerry Conway HAS changed a lot as a writer since the Night Gwen Stacy died, and while he doesn't regret killing her off, he does regret starting the fridging trend the story started.

So I think he'll give writing this version of Gwen a fair shot.

[up] Yeah, Gerry Conway isn't spiteful and he has a lot more free space to work with the concept of an anti-hero Gwen Stacy.

And I'm speaking as someone who HAS read the old stories and found Gwen utterly boring and insufferable at times.


R.I.P. John Romita Sr.

Damn great artist.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 17th 2023 at 10:55:33 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27822: Jun 17th 2023 at 7:55:28 AM

Agreed.

I am curious to see what Conway could actually do with Gwen now that he's actually trying. If he did one good story with her, he can do another.

Though I do think it was a bit of a mistake to kill Gwen. Considering how dead set Marvel is about not letting Peter marry, the best way to keep him out of a committed relationship might be to keep Gwen around as another option, but that would also require a lot of Character Development for her as well.

It would also require Felicia to not be around (though Felicia doesn't really seem to be a serious contender).

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27823: Jun 17th 2023 at 7:57:29 AM

Doesn't help they kept fucking up Gwen Stacy's chances to be a better character.

Like that time she supported Sam Bullit's Law and order campaign and is NEVER seen going against him, to the point she spends most of the story hating Spider-Man and supporting Bullit, as we discussed way back.

When JAMESON got a moment where he got pissed at Bullit for being racist and scum.

If Peter had to marry, it def was MJ who was the better option between her and Gwen.

At least MJ has depth and consistency, Gwen couldn't compete.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 17th 2023 at 10:58:22 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27824: Jun 17th 2023 at 8:07:00 AM

Yeah. I've often said that I think Stan was so hellbent on making Gwen Peter's girlfriend that he didn't really think about making her a character.

In contrast, in his efforts to make Mary Jane seem like she was out of Peter's league, he ended up making her far more interesting with all her different hobbies and shit.

Hell, Mary Jane even technically predates Gwen, since the former had been referenced as far back as the High School days (with Liz and Betty meeting her, but the audience never getting to see her face). That kind of build up is hard to fight against.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27825: Jun 17th 2023 at 8:16:02 AM

Spider-Gwen is basically an entirely different character from classic Gwen Stacy and she’s far more popular.

Granted, Marvel still doesn’t know what to do with her besides more Gwen Stacy cosplaying copies.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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