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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27601: Jun 6th 2023 at 3:00:53 PM

[up]

My theory above is this is Quesada just answering fan questions on behalf of editorial mandate. He may have run Marvel story division but he doesn't own Spider-Man and his job is to enforce certain parameters.

Which is to say they wanted a young Spider-Man kept "morally pure."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#27602: Jun 6th 2023 at 3:05:53 PM

Which is really rich, given the "Peter Parker is best when he's young and dating tons of different girls" line of thinking.

The kind of person who does that is going to have a lot of sex.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27603: Jun 6th 2023 at 3:11:10 PM

Honestly, that's more American conservative values and misogyny than pure hypocrisy.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#27604: Jun 6th 2023 at 3:54:53 PM

Peter Parker being an “Everyman” surely can mean something different depending on how it’s used.

35 year old white man.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27605: Jun 6th 2023 at 4:01:09 PM

@Slimcoder

Though didn't Roderick return to supervillainy?

And in Superior, he lost a Goblin war to Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27606: Jun 6th 2023 at 4:03:58 PM

He sometimes puts on the mask so he can keep the brand clean

Considering how many people try to be Hobgoblin he has concerns that they might damage the brand

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27607: Jun 6th 2023 at 4:07:58 PM

Yeah and last I remember, he got beaten up by Captain Marvel and that cost him his reputation.

Haven't heard much from him lately.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27608: Jun 6th 2023 at 4:25:05 PM

Him and Ned both got brainwashed into being Hobgoblin in the Wells run by Goblin Queen, I remember that much.

CheapMarzipan A Low Cost Confection Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
A Low Cost Confection
#27609: Jun 6th 2023 at 5:31:24 PM

Last thing I remember about him was him getting inverted way back during AXIS and raking it in turning the Hobgoblin into a superHERO franchise. Which seems just about perfect for regular Kingsley too, but I imagine he’s back to being evil now.

Edited by CheapMarzipan on Jun 6th 2023 at 7:34:15 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27610: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:39:41 PM

[up][up] And then they dropped the Queen Goblin story completely by killing her over in Norman's comic

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27611: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:40:43 PM

Yeah it was such a waste.

There was a lot more you could have done with her as a villain if we're still going with good guy Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27612: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:25:32 PM

See I wouldn't have minded the original Sins Past where they are Peter's kids.

Gwen gets pregnant after a broken condem unsure about her future with Peter, they were having an up anf down relationship, scared at the prosoect of motherhood especially with her dad dead and quietly gives the kids up for adoption. As she feels she or Peter aren't ready to be parents.

Heck in this scenario you wouldn't even need Norman or some annoying Gray Goblin. Just a heartwrenching story of a man connecting with the kids he never knew he had.

See, this is a great idea for a fanfiction or for an AU story, but a terrible idea for a book in the main continuity. As is any variation of Sin's Past.

And it's not because it's inherently a bad idea to have Peter (and presumably MJ) suddenly become the parent(s) to a couple of relatively normal twin kids (who I presume would be around 4-7, factoring in the sliding timeline), but because you've massively upended the status quo in a way that can't be easily retconned away.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#27614: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:53:04 PM

Almost as bad as stealing 40 cakes...which somehow became canon.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27615: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:55:22 PM

Looking back, Sin's Past is a pretty flawed story concept cause it means shacking Peter with kids

Which is prolly why afterwards the Goblin twins were never since until the end of the Spencer run

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#27616: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:56:08 PM

Untrue, the boy at least showed up during the American Son storyline set during Dark Reign.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27617: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:59:33 PM

It’s still funny to think Harry has a son who would be just a bit older than Mayday.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27618: Jun 7th 2023 at 1:52:30 AM

And Normie's very existence ages Peter significantly his arch nemesis has a pre teen grandson thanks to the perpetually dying and resurrecting Harry whose had more heel-face turns than the Big Show.

So giving Peter kids via Gwen in the 4-7 year old range or hell just baby Mayday is a sacrifice to the "status quo" I'm willing to make.

A status quo the bulk of casual and hard-core spider-man fans deems as bs.

It says something that DC was able to learn they're mistake by retconning Talia's "miscarriage" to give us Damian Wayne but Marvel continues to dig its feet into the ground for making 616!Spider-man grow up like his friends.

Keeping your hero in arrested development doesn't make him relatable to kids....it's makes him that one stoner cousin in between jobs your parents told you not to hang out with.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27619: Jun 7th 2023 at 1:54:44 AM

Yeah that's what I mean, because Harry is actually allowed to grow up as a character and had a wife and kid.

While Peter is STILL in college.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27620: Jun 7th 2023 at 3:16:18 AM

And to think Harry did all that while struggling with drug addiction and demonic possession.

Inspiring.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27621: Jun 7th 2023 at 3:49:39 AM

I remember reading a comic that was set during Inferno where Harry had to don the Goblin gear and go up against Macendale Hobgoblin to protect his family.

Really good stuff.

Honestly, I think Harry Osborn has a lot of untapped potential as a character and even when they brought him back post OMD, they squandered their chance.

[up] Heck, having a actual son actually made Harry man up and kick off drugs to be the father that Norman wasn't.

Pity it didn't last since they wanted Harry to be a bad guy.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 7th 2023 at 6:50:49 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27622: Jun 7th 2023 at 4:15:16 AM

Spider-Man#9

Norman meets Spider-Boy, who identifies himself as Peter's partner and sidekick

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27623: Jun 7th 2023 at 4:16:33 AM

Oh please toss him off a bridge.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27624: Jun 7th 2023 at 4:59:20 AM

[up]Norman doesn't do that anymore.

Besides, superhero comics have killed enough kids as is.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27625: Jun 7th 2023 at 5:09:51 AM

Well at least we have the funny AF Spider-Boy memes.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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