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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#27577: Jun 6th 2023 at 4:26:30 AM

Yeah an issue of JMS Spider-Man was my very first comic I bought.

It was the story of Peter being a teacher and learning he arrested the older brother of one of his star students as Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27578: Jun 6th 2023 at 9:05:14 AM

To me Norman Osborn has become the symbol of Peter's inability to grow up.

Aunt May passes on peacefully? Nope an actor

Mayday born? Nope put on a bus never to be mentioned again unless in that one timeline Uncle Kaine saves her

Also he kills Ben Reiley along the way.

Peter has illegitimate kids? Nope they're Norman's now because pre marital sex is bad per Quesada

Symbiote!Peter might finally kill Norman for all the pain he's caused him? Nope we need him for future stories he know thinks he's Cletus Cassady.

Now look where we're at Peter in now working for the man who caused him all this suffering. The man who killed his daughter because editorial got cold feet is now his boss....

You can never convince me keeping Norman around was a good alternative to Mayday in 616.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27579: Jun 6th 2023 at 9:41:51 AM

Now look where we're at Peter in now working for the man who caused him all this suffering. The man who killed his daughter because editorial got cold feet is now his boss....

No, no, Norman never killed Mayday. Peter undid her with his deal with Mephisto.

:)

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27580: Jun 6th 2023 at 9:50:51 AM

Mayday is double gone. Kidnapped and or made still born by Norman when Peter and MJ were married then erased from existence via Mephisto because Peter didn't egg Dr. Doom on enough to fix Aunt May's bullet wound.

Seriously all Peter would have to do is say Reed Richard's couldn't save May and Doom would have made the old woman into a cyborg granny.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 6th 2023 at 9:51:22 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27581: Jun 6th 2023 at 9:57:37 AM

Apparently Good Boy Norman has mentioned Mayday so even in the revised Mephisto’d timeline, she was conceived and probably born

And is probably dead since Good Boy Norman hasn’t returned her

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27583: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:23:06 AM

That could also just be magic at work.

Though I do note that if she did exist, Joe Quesada thinks divorce is immoral but Peter knocking up Mary Jane without marrying her is fine.

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#27585: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:38:24 AM

I remember that time where he helped write one moment in time which explained "See, to me, the reason I wanted to get married was to have kids. If that's no longer a part of the equation, then marriage is just a piece of paper."

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27586: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:41:39 AM

[up] And this was after Matt Fraction had MJ tell Peter that marriage/parterships wasn't just something to do between other committed relationships

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#27587: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:41:47 AM

Didn't Quesada have a real nasty divorce before writing OMD and as a result develop some major hangups about the idea of marriage in general?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#27588: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:46:43 AM

I used to hear that all the time, about Quesada’s nasty divorce. But there were so many rumors about why OMD happened that I have no idea how true it is.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#27589: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:48:00 AM

Amusingly Norman's return meant Roderick Kingsley could retire comfortably with his supervillain business, making him a far more successful villain than Norman

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27590: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:49:54 AM

Sins Past could have been improved if instead of full grown Gwen and Harry expies, the blast from the past was a tiny ninja Mayday, trained to murder Peter for abandoning her

I mean, at the very least you don’t have the contrivance of Gwen porking Norman or somehow concealing a pregnancy. Although I guess that’s moot now but we wouldn’t have had to have Kindred shit if it was Mayday to begin with

Probably. But it is likely that she would eventually have been retconned into being a Space Phantom for some reason

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#27591: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:52:52 AM

Just hearing about the storyline, I'd have simply made the twins some deranged science experiment from Norman to fuck with Peter's head. Dude has the Clone Saga hanging over him, so going to these deranged lengths to mess with his enemy's head is just par of the course.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27592: Jun 6th 2023 at 10:59:44 AM

Whole storyline build up to the idea these are Peter and Gwen’s kids and he’s like no that’s impossible why didn’t she tell me and then it reveals they’re Norman’s kids and Peter is like OSBORRRRRN and the last page he receives a note that says “lol jk u mad?”

Edited by Bocaj on Jun 6th 2023 at 2:00:00 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27593: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:14:47 AM

I used to hear that all the time, about Quesada’s nasty divorce. But there were so many rumors about why OMD happened that I have no idea how true it is.

I come not to praise Caesar but to bury him. In this case, Quesada takes the fall for One More Day but the hatred of Peter marrying MJ has existed among the editorial board for decades. It's why the Clone Saga was created and was one of several attempts to undo it that got reversed by fan backlash. Some of it also has weird motivations like a desire to have Peter bang more women....which the writers really obsess over.

Just hearing about the storyline, I'd have simply made the twins some deranged science experiment from Norman to fuck with Peter's head. Dude has the Clone Saga hanging over him, so going to these deranged lengths to mess with his enemy's head is just par of the course.

I think everyone literally assumed that would be the case as it was similar to a Vulture/Harry Osborn plot. Later, it was retconned to being one. However, the weird thing about Sin's past was that it aged Peter more than any other plot in his entire history.

Peter being a father of a one-year old? HE'S TOO OLD!

Peter being old enough that when he was dating Gwen, she had children old enough to now lust after Peter himself?

That's fine.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 6th 2023 at 11:16:31 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27594: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:17:36 AM

Amusingly Norman's return meant Roderick Kingsley could retire comfortably with his supervillain business, making him a far more successful villain than Norman

Retcon or not, I always liked Ned Leeds as the Hobgoblin because it led to some interesting other retcons. Like the fact he was college friends with Wilson Fisk and helping him out with the Rose business.

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#27595: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:20:24 AM

Editorial sure is out of touch with the fans on some big issues

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27596: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:21:40 AM

There's a good argument that Inmates Running The Asylum is part of the issue.

Spencer likes writing MJ and Peter because he's my age and remembers them married.

Guys slightly older remember Peter and Black Cat.

And so on.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27597: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:25:56 AM

See I wouldn't have minded the original Sins Past where they are Peter's kids.

Gwen gets pregnant after a broken condem unsure about her future with Peter, they were having an up anf down relationship, scared at the prosoect of motherhood especially with her dad dead and quietly gives the kids up for adoption. As she feels she or Peter aren't ready to be parents.

Heck in this scenario you wouldn't even need Norman or some annoying Gray Goblin. Just a heartwrenching story of a man connecting with the kids he never knew he had.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 6th 2023 at 11:27:12 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27598: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:29:17 AM

Peter has illegitimate kids? Nope they're Norman's now because pre marital sex is bad per Quesada

It's less premarital sex and more having kids out of wedlock. The BND era was much more explicit about Peter having sex than just about any other time. Having "masks on" sex with Black Cat is great as long as they use protection.

When I think about how both Gwen and Felicia almost had Peter's kid(s) and MJ actually did have his kid, I wonder what they would have done if Felicia actually went further with the idea of Felicia getting pregnant. Would they have made Morlun the father or would the kid get abducted by Trapster?

Edited by windleopard on Jun 6th 2023 at 7:31:08 PM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27599: Jun 6th 2023 at 11:58:58 AM

First nah Quesada has gone on record saying he was uncomfortable with a story dealing with Peter and Gwen having unprotected or careless sex out of wedlock.

Second with Felicia being pregnant I'm going with Insomiac Spider-man. She'd never fully admit to having his kid or using it as leverage to play Peter for a fool to help her steal shit. If this is classic I only love Spider-man Felicia.

BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#27600: Jun 6th 2023 at 2:45:35 PM

[up]Eveytime I think about Quesada and Peter/Gwen sex thing I wonder if he has conservative values or really attached to Pure Peter because having sex with your girlfriend isn’t morally wrong and I’m puzzled by it

35 year old white man.

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