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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27526: Jun 5th 2023 at 5:36:06 AM

She REALLY needed her own mythology and stories unique to her.

Gwen does have her own Mythology unique to her and her stories didn't focus on the multiverse until after Latour ended his run.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27527: Jun 5th 2023 at 5:44:32 AM

I have to agree, her time in 616 didn't amount to much. She had a miniseries where she fought the Jackal and helped Peter fight the sin-eater, but that's about it.

When they transferred Miles over to 616, it didn't feel as half-hearted. They brought over his entire supporting cast, and continued on from plots in the old book.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27528: Jun 5th 2023 at 7:33:03 AM

Man, what's up with the cloning fetish Marvel has for Gwen?

Like we don't see this many clones of MJ.

We should count our blessingstongue. The last thing MJ needs is her own Madelyne Pryor. She and Peter have way too much in common with Scott and Jean in all the wrong ways than I'm comfortable with.

The game Spider-Man: Edge of Time had a bunch of Black Cat clones from that game's version of 2099. And there's the Stepford Cuckoos which are basically clone children of Emma Frost.

Maybe it's just a fetish for cloning blonde women.[lol]

Edited by windleopard on Jun 5th 2023 at 3:34:02 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#27529: Jun 5th 2023 at 7:45:48 AM

That would be kind of apropos if MJ had a Madelyn Prior equivalent, since Ben Reilly actually hooked up with Mads in his comic (well, I'm not positive from the scans if they were actually in a relationship. But they did a supervillain team up at least).

Also, I'm curious. Who came up with that Stepford Cuckoos thing? The reason I'm wondering is because I noted in a thread how the DC Comics character Manchester Black has a reference to the Midwich Cuckoos in his backstory. And I was making the argument then that Black is a very on-the-nose parody of a "comic book character written by a British author".

Although I suppose that if you are writing a character who is a "mutant" and from England, a famous book about British mutant kids is probably low-hanging fruit.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27530: Jun 5th 2023 at 7:47:18 AM

Ben Chasm Reilly was still with Janine when he was teamed up with Madelyne so I don’t think he was romantically with the goblin queen

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27532: Jun 5th 2023 at 8:27:19 AM

The Stepford Cuckoos were a Grant Morrison addition. Morrison and Warren Ellis are both pretty fond of Wyndham's work, iirc.

ShippudenTimes2 Since: Oct, 2020
#27533: Jun 5th 2023 at 9:35:51 AM

So I haven’t read any Spider-books in a while aside from the various Spider-Verse titles and the first few volumes of Nick Spencer’s run. Since I’m gonna wait a year or two after the debacle in the current run for current issues, are there any good runs in the modern era worth checking out at my library? I know Slott and Spencer are good, but I’m trying to dip my toes in the main continuity.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27534: Jun 5th 2023 at 12:59:31 PM

Having just read the comics, the villain is blaming Spider-Gwen for her husband's death versus the actual villains who did it.

So, yes, very petty.

Especially as Gwen was trying to save them and she refused to leave the area because her work was there.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27535: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:00:25 PM

You aren't really spider-man until a villain blames you for something that wasn't even your fault or you barely had involvement in

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 5th 2023 at 2:00:43 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27536: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:10:02 PM

Miles is already dealing with that with Rabble

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#27537: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:10:11 PM

Or a supporting character does.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27538: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:11:37 PM

Peter is kinda to blame for both of the Stacy's deaths.

At least indirectly (well, maybe directly in the case of Gwen).

But your point stands.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27539: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:13:24 PM

I mean, I blame Doc Ock for Captain Stacy's death.

And Green Goblin for Gwen's.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#27540: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:14:33 PM

Eddie also comes to mind.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27541: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:15:16 PM

Eddie almost committed suicide over something that was his fault that he still blamed Peter for

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27542: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:30:06 PM

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I mainly do as well, but you can kinda pin some blame on Peter if you squint.

Like, he did blind Ock, which is what caused the latter to knock down the bricks that crushed Captain Stacy.

And there's the infamous SNAP panel.

But I'm just spitballing here. I know full well the villains were responsible for what happened.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27543: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:30:34 PM

Captain Stacy is also to blame for Captain Stacy’s death

It’s very laudable that he tackled a small child to safety.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27544: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:32:56 PM

He's old. He wasn't picking up no kids!

It was tackle or nothing.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27545: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:43:49 PM

I said laudable!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27546: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:46:08 PM

Huh I just now realized Shadow Clones is effectively Gwen's Clone Saga

Just like Miles she's dealing with cline stuff

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27547: Jun 5th 2023 at 2:47:38 PM

Nobody got Conway's memo that clones are a bad idea.

There's a reason that he did his best to end the whole thing by revealing the Gwen Stacy clone was just an altered rando woman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27548: Jun 5th 2023 at 5:14:45 PM

The greatest irony in the whole of the Spider-Man comics will be how the original Clone Saga in the 1970's was all about...moving on, and not becoming unhealthily attached to how things used to be to the point you're willing to do horrible, and frankly stupid things, to recapture.

Amazing how every clone-related story since then has just been another bullet that ends up lodged in Marvel's foot.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27549: Jun 5th 2023 at 5:16:28 PM

Apparently, even that isn't true. In fact, there was actually a bunch of fighting over the original Clone Saga and its ending with some people wanting to use it to actually bring Gwen Stacy back with Cloning Blues as a character angle for it.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
good-morning Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles from Brazil Since: Nov, 2021
Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
#27550: Jun 5th 2023 at 5:23:28 PM

Talking of giving a larger mythology to the other mythology characters, making The Spot a villain associated with Miles in Spider-Verse seems to be a good example. He has interesting and unique powers, but he has also not been as used as the rest of Peter's gallery, which means it doesn't feel like Miles is only "borrowing" him, like if the Vulture or Scorpion became his nemesis.

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