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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27476: Jun 3rd 2023 at 11:24:50 PM

Nah @Targetmaster Joe Sp Ock was fun in a old comics weird one shot way especially showing first hand how dangerous Spider-Man's powers can be with someone with little moral compass.

It just brought up issues like how in the hell did no one but Carlie Cooper and Norman Osborn know it wasn't Peter in their.

Like Norman I can get the man is obsessed with Peter to the point he wanted him to be his son/successor. But not his friends like Johnny Storm, MJ or even Aunt May.

Plus anything is better than Zeb Wells' Paul saga.

Edited by FKJ10 on Jun 3rd 2023 at 11:25:38 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27478: Jun 3rd 2023 at 11:41:39 PM

I do honestly hate that Norman only found out Spider-Man was replaced by Doc Ock because of Carlie Cooper.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27479: Jun 4th 2023 at 12:54:27 AM

This news and the tease in Spider-Man#9 has me theorizing that Bailey, Spider-Boy is, in fact, a child clone of Otto and the "Superior" book is his.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27480: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:48:43 AM

That's...not the worst idea I've ever heard.

Admittedly, I'm saying that partially because I like the idea of one of Peter's sidekicks being this egotistical little shit that just is Otto, more or less, that secretly looks up to him and wants his approval.

Can't wait for his life to become unending misery, though, like every other clones.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27481: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:03:07 AM

[up][up] Considering Slott created Spider-Boy, I wouldn't be surprised if he is related to Otto in some form.

Hell, this is just a repeat of Steel Spider but with clones if true.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jun 4th 2023 at 6:03:14 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27482: Jun 4th 2023 at 7:06:14 AM

A little more on the Superior relaunch from those who attended Philly Comic Con (Slott had a panel where the news was first announced and then made public)

The Superior Spider is indeed going to be Otto, and it appears to be what Ock is going to do next, Slott confirmed he came up with his current Electro storyline to buy Zeb enough time to tell his own Doc Ock story

Edited by Zarius on Jun 4th 2023 at 7:06:24 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27483: Jun 4th 2023 at 12:30:15 PM

Can't we just have, the Wells' run ending with spidey waking up from a bad dream only for Silk to tell him about the next Spiderverse event.

After a nightmare like that Peter would be jumping at a chance to fight Morlun again.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#27484: Jun 4th 2023 at 12:35:41 PM

Better just the Sinister Six for the cool action scenes and actually interesting people.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27485: Jun 4th 2023 at 12:38:51 PM

Multiversal sinister six-ish could be interesting

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27486: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:26:49 PM

On a riffing on multiverse stuff, thinking about how inherently flawed the concept of the whole Miles-verse and Gwen-verse stories are

Its like sure a lot of the spiders in Spider-Verse are variants of Peter Parker, they are ultimately variants of Spider-Man. So it varies a lot there, whether it be a version of Peter Parker heavily changed (Noir, cyberpunk Peni Parker) to completely different people donning the mantle (Miguel is not an alternate version of Peter)

Which winds up highlighting the issues with the Miles and Gwen-verse stories. They don't make enough changes with the characters so it winds up just being Miles and Gwen cosplaying as other superheroes instead of fun variants like Noir Spider-Man or medieval knight Spider-Man.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27487: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:34:02 PM

The Mileses didn’t even feel like Miles most of the time

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27488: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:43:46 PM

Clones (and hypnotism) got rid of the Sins Past twins and replaced the image of Norman plowing Gwen who fell for his "animalistic masculinity".....with Norman fucking Mysterio in a wig.

I'll forever thank Nick Spencer for that.

I do, sincerely, without the sarcasm. "Sin's Past" may have been overshadowed by OMD as the worst Spider-Man story of all time but it's still nice to be gone and I don't kink shame Mysterio and Norman.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 4th 2023 at 2:47:09 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27489: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:45:41 PM

Beck is a method actor

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27490: Jun 4th 2023 at 2:46:13 PM

Much like Riddler the Private Detective, I'd read the shit out of Mysterio and Mary Jane doing movies.

And did.

That comic should have lasted forever.

I like silly villains enough that I'm sad they retconned Kraven in Squirrel Girl too.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jun 4th 2023 at 2:46:48 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#27491: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:06:40 PM

Which winds up highlighting the issues with the Miles and Gwen-verse stories. They don't make enough changes with the characters so it winds up just being Miles and Gwen cosplaying as other superheroes instead of fun variants like Noir Spider-Man or medieval knight Spider-Man.

Or in one case, an absurdly racist caricature pretending to be Miles cosplaying as Thor.

No, I still haven't forgotten; what the fuck even was that comic?!

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27492: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:13:59 PM

The writer really loved hip hop and unfortunately showed it in the worst way possible........

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 4th 2023 at 3:14:15 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27493: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:21:02 PM

They don't make enough changes with the characters so it winds up just being Miles and Gwen cosplaying as other superheroes instead of fun variants like Noir Spider-Man or medieval knight Spider-Man.

I mean, in the case of Gwenverse the other Gwens were temporal duplicates created from Gwen's personality, they weren't supposed to be drastically different.

Though even then, they still felt more different than what happened with Miles as other heroes.

The only actual alternate Gwen Spider-Gwen has met is Earth-617 Gwen, who is more like 616 Gwen and Nightbird, who is basically batgirl.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 4th 2023 at 6:25:57 AM

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Goku Black
#27494: Jun 4th 2023 at 3:40:08 PM

So do you Guys think after across the Spider verse. Spot will return and become a rogue for Miles. Since he's now gotten a very positive reception from the film

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#27495: Jun 4th 2023 at 7:22:37 PM

So do you Guys think after across the Spider verse. Spot will return and become a rogue for Miles. Since he's now gotten a very positive reception from the film

I mean, I'm sure we'll see more from him now but Marvel has always been a bit more free with exchanging and switching around Rogues than DC. Kingpin went from being a Spider-Rogue to a Daredevil-Rogue but he's still played huge roles in many Spider-Man stories and recently Devil's Reign.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27496: Jun 4th 2023 at 7:33:15 PM

The latest Spider-Gwen series has clones of Gwen cosplaying as the Sinister Six.

The Rhino Gwen is pretty questionable.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27497: Jun 4th 2023 at 7:38:18 PM

Is she wearing a bulky rhino suit?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27498: Jun 4th 2023 at 8:34:02 PM

[up]×2

Supposedly they are clones of Gwen and the Sinister Six from the 616. They do not explain why the 616 Sin Six were in earth 65 in the first issue, they just show up so they main villain could get their genetic material.

I do like how Vulture Gwen looks though, Peach Momoko did an amazing job with that design.

At least Gwenverse acknowledged the earth 65 variants of Gwen. Like how she said that Gwenverine was her as Mr Murderhands, whichbis what her Logan is called.

Edited by Cortez on Jun 4th 2023 at 11:37:55 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27499: Jun 4th 2023 at 8:42:07 PM

On that note, what ever happened to evil Matt Murdock?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27500: Jun 4th 2023 at 8:45:48 PM

Gwen took him down at the end of Latour's run. He should be in prison, unless he has gotten out.


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