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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27426: Jun 1st 2023 at 9:05:16 PM

Yeah even though this death is def going to get reversed, this is just such a shitty thing to do to a character like Ms. Marvel.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27427: Jun 1st 2023 at 10:19:08 PM

I like how it's trying to evoke and gain the infamy of Death in The Family or The Night Gwen Stacy died but again

Outside one of two odd team ups Kamala had no relationship with Peter beyond "OMG its Spider-Man I'm a huge fan". If this was Miles this would have made sense as those two are attached to the hip of Miles isn't with Spider-Gwen. To the point Miles made a deal with Memphis to to revive her

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27428: Jun 1st 2023 at 11:04:31 PM

Another one of the ASM#26 variants is sort of a Fix Fic for the ending as Spider-Man comforts MJ over the loss of her kids

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27429: Jun 1st 2023 at 11:57:53 PM

"Points at my profile pic to show my reaction."

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27430: Jun 2nd 2023 at 12:58:50 AM

hahahahahahahah this is so bad

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27431: Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:00:32 AM

How long has she had those kids in-universe anyway?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27432: Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:28:30 AM

And Peter Parker just sprayed his sad spider-jizz all over it just to let us know how much MANPAIN he has

After reading that comment from the twitter thread linked in the last page, I'm starting to wonder if all the jokes about this run being someone's very odd fetish might be on to something.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27433: Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:29:48 AM

This def is someone at Marvel's fetish.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27434: Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:34:38 AM

Now I'm picturing the jokes that would have been made if it had been MJ or Felicia who died as some were speculating.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27435: Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:57:30 AM

[up][up][up][up] MJ and Paul raised the kids for four years in the alternate universe, but they'd only been present in 'our' universe for about six or seven months

And here's that ASM#26 variant I was talking about earlier

Second printing apparently.

Edited by Zarius on Jun 2nd 2023 at 4:23:40 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27436: Jun 2nd 2023 at 10:11:33 AM

[up] Second printing.

You guys want to know something quirky about these "second printings"?

Someone crunched the numbers on how many variant covers the ASM runs have gotten.

In a little over a year, Zeb Wells' run (26 issues as of this typing) has already garnered 385 covers while the previous run by Nick Spencer (74 issues) reached 684 covers after 4 years.

What this means is that the Zeb Wells run has been spamming variants just so Marvel can consider it a "best-seller" in the broadest of terms because it wasn't selling as much as they wanted it to on its own. If it sounds scummy, that's because it IS scummy.

And speaking of Fix Fics, someone suggested that worst case scenario, the next writer can retcon everything from the Zeb Wells run by saying everything so far (the latter half of Beyond, Rabin, Paul/Owen/Stephanie, Dark Web, Kamala's death) was all part of a nightmare Peter was having during his coma while the Spider-Man we saw out of the Spider-Books was really Ben. I mean, it probably contradicts stuff like Zdarsky's Daredevil and Dan Slott's Spider-Man book, but damn it, I'm desperate for this nightmare to end. And do the other creators even pay attention to Slott's stuff anyway?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 2nd 2023 at 1:11:59 PM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27437: Jun 2nd 2023 at 10:13:02 AM

[up] In my mind, in Slott's book, Mary Jane is off filming a movie while Peter works at Oscorp trying to make ends meet for him and her at home.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27438: Jun 2nd 2023 at 10:21:38 AM

That MJ mini WAS really good

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27439: Jun 2nd 2023 at 10:52:07 AM

That reminds me of when Peter David tried to retcon an issue of Amazing Spider-Man to be a dream because Hulk flies in a plane in it, ignoring what that would mean for Spidey.

They're never going to do any sort of "all just a dream" thing. More likely, they'll just find a justification for why the MJ and Paul being trapped in another dimension isn't as bad as it seems. Maybe time moves faster there or something.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27440: Jun 2nd 2023 at 12:02:01 PM

[up][up][up][up]

I'd like to see some stats for Marvel as a whole to put that in context.

Looking at the ASM figures the older runs get fewer variants per issue, and Marvel's also doing a lot of line-wide themed variants these days (Disney100, Planet of the Apes, Demonized, Predator, Window Shades, Miracleman, AAPI heritage month) - many of which then get doubled for Wells' ASM because it ships twice that month.

(And sometimes a ridiculous number of variants for first issues - e.g. 40 for this ASM #1, but 76 for Gillen's Eternals #1)

There's also a feedback loop - more newsworthy issues or better selling titles get more variants. As do issues with a second printing.

Is it a problem for Marvel as a whole? Maybe. But I'm not immediately seeing evidence they used it to artificially make this particular book their best-selling title.

It may just be that, much as many longstanding fans hate it, it's also found an audience elsewhere, and it's selling well.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 2nd 2023 at 8:02:34 PM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27442: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:13:48 PM

Where she was off filming a movie

I guess it wasn’t really a mini since it started another arc before getting cancelled

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27443: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:27:54 PM

They're never going to do any sort of "all just a dream" thing. More likely, they'll just find a justification for why the MJ and Paul being trapped in another dimension isn't as bad as it seems. Maybe time moves faster there or something.

...Uh, pretty sure the "time moves faster" bit was already established in the story.

Like, it was the reason why Peter was running like hell to get MJ back (and burning his bridges with everyone else). Because a couple of hours in his world was a couple of years in the other dimension.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 2nd 2023 at 6:28:26 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#27444: Jun 2nd 2023 at 3:52:32 PM

Princess Spinstress' comics continue to be a highlight of the entire Spider-Verse. I dearly want there to be a part 3 and for them all to be collected together.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27445: Jun 3rd 2023 at 1:05:49 AM

Read the 2022 Ben Reilly: Spider-Man miniseries (which doesn't have a page here I believe).

It's decent, has some good character bits with Ben, and does a fine job of laying out his trust issues and laying the ground for his budding friendships. But it suffers from being waaaaaay too rushed and packed with ideas. I honestly think it should have focused on Lady Octopus as the main villain instead of Spidercide, since that relationship wasn't really explored much during the Clone Saga and actually has some really good potential.

Overall? Like 6.5/10. Great start, good ideas, kind of a cluttered and exposition-heavy middle/ending.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27446: Jun 3rd 2023 at 1:06:01 AM

I said it before in this thread, but the cliffhanger ending of that MJ mini series is a perfect 'out' for them if they want to write off the Zeb Wells MJ...just say the real MJ is still lost and a clone created by the Harry supercomputer took her place from Last Remains onwards.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27447: Jun 3rd 2023 at 1:09:45 AM

I still wonder how MJ explained what happened to her close friends.

Doesn't she have Carlie Cooper and her Aunt in her life?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27448: Jun 3rd 2023 at 1:15:54 AM

All of MJ's other interpersonal relationships stopped being important in favor of whatever melodrama editorial can squeeze out of her and Peter messed up love life.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27449: Jun 3rd 2023 at 3:31:05 AM

[up][up][up]When has using clones as an Author's Saving Throw ever helped this series?

Edited by windleopard on Jun 3rd 2023 at 2:04:22 PM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27450: Jun 3rd 2023 at 3:40:43 AM

JMS replied to a tweet asking if his upcoming Captain America run is separate from the mystery six-issue event that will be announced at SDCC. JMS replied with just one word: Yes.

What makes this stand out though is the person he replied to is one of the more vocal Spider-Man fans on the platform.


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