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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27301: May 29th 2023 at 1:59:38 PM

Plus the time he faked getting beaten up by Spider-Man

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27302: May 29th 2023 at 3:03:33 PM

Man that outcome annoyed me so much

Spidey's lawyer deciding to bring Peter Parker into the suit without consulting his client at all is amazingly unprofessional

Especially trying to sue a photographer for millions knowing he couldn't afford it - like actually, what a shithead

In fact, I'd say Jameson is the opposite of Gwen. Gwen had a few unpleasant moments that fans exaggerate to make her seem like some Bitch in Sheep's Clothing while Jameson's more horrible actions, particularly his sponsoring of supervillains, often get downplayed by fans. Nick Spencer is probably the writer who has done the most in decades to truly shine a light on Jameson's flaws.

Yes!! This bothers me so much. Everyone loves talking about how Jameson is secretly a great guy and it's like no, no he absolutely isn't. I'm totally on board with him developing into a better person (USM was really good for that) but making him "good all along" is absolute horseshit for 616 (and something I'm not fond of adaptations doing either).

Reading here that it was Zdarsky who created the retcon that Jameson hired Peter to give him a break... that's disappointing, given Zdarsky's annual for Life Story, which portrayed the consequences of Jameson's actions much more realistically.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27303: May 29th 2023 at 3:28:08 PM

I think Zdarsky's run never really downplays Jameson's negative traits. It's the point that's brought up in the issue where he reveals his identity to Jonah. Peter straight up says that Jameson's wasting his life on this vendetta despite Marla's wishes.

I also think it's really interesting that like a decade earlier, Jameson had a much worse reaction to finding out Peter was Spider-Man, and sued him for everything. Like, he had to be at his lowest point to really understand Peter.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27304: May 29th 2023 at 3:30:45 PM

I've liked the idea since the Raimi movies that JJ is an ass with an irrational hatred for Spidey but he's not a monster.

Best shown when he kept Peter's identity as his photographer a secret when the guy was in ear shot of the Goblin.

Gives more nuance.

Side note I find it sad honestly that Ditko's original characterization of Gwen Stacy has been quite literally lost to time. It's extremely ironic reading Ultimate Spider-Man or Spider-Gwen with flashbacks of her defending Peter from bullies.....when she was his bully sicking Flash and Harry on him in college.

All because Peter dissed her. Impact is lessened because Peter by that point was Spider-Man and treated his peers as not worth his time.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27305: May 29th 2023 at 3:31:45 PM

I mean, Ultimate Spider-Man was Bendis doing his own thing with the characters TBF.

That's why we got childhood friend Eddie Brock and artificially created Venom suit.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27306: May 29th 2023 at 3:39:06 PM

It's just funny that out of Peter's three bullies only Flash stays consistent throughout each retelling or adaptation

Harry is typically Peter's rich best friend who is also picked on

Gwen typically shifts through geeky childhood friend (Spectacular), punk rock tomboy (ultimate and spider gwen) and popular but nice girl Peter crushes after (Movie)

The only time they kept something close to her mean girl self was the Disney animated series.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27307: May 29th 2023 at 3:40:56 PM

I guess they wanted to expand on Peter's social circle since he didn't have any friends back in the Lee-Ditko era so that's why Harry is turned into Peter's childhood friend who is also rich, and to give him more of a connection to Green Goblin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27308: May 29th 2023 at 3:45:27 PM

Peter's entire high school supporting cast in the comics is Flash and Liz. He spent a majority of his time.at the bugle back in those days.

Adaptations usually have a greater focus on Peter's day to day school life. I'm pretty sure they've never named a single teacher who taught at Midtown.

good-morning Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles from Brazil Since: Nov, 2021
Lord Something, Forgetter of Cool Titles
#27309: May 29th 2023 at 3:45:37 PM

I also prefer J.J.J. as not a villainous person, just someone who detests Spider-Man and tries to badmouth him, rather than funding actual super-villains. I've always thought Jameson to be a parody of sensationalist chief editors who polemize the smallest controversy purely to get higher ratings, and I think making his pet peeve for Spider-Man irrational and specific to him takes a bit of that aspect.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27310: May 29th 2023 at 3:46:08 PM

[up][up]I was going to bring up maybe Betty counts as a friend since she was consistently supportive of him.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 29th 2023 at 6:46:24 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27311: May 29th 2023 at 3:47:08 PM

[up][up] Admitably there is an amusement that the MCU spent 3 movies in school, and the only school related characters I can name are Ned, MJ, and Flash

The only teacher I can think of is that loser guy whose wife left him during the Snap

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27312: May 29th 2023 at 3:47:15 PM

What is important is Peter was a loner by choice by the time Ditko was fully in charge

Real life wrote the plot for Ditko...

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27313: May 29th 2023 at 3:55:53 PM

[up][up][up]Betty was probably Peter's closest friend up until he goes to college. Slott remembered this, and a lot of his early tenure on his Spidey run was dedicated to having them act like friends again. It's one of the things I really liked on his run.

As Spider-Man, his best friend was definitely Johnny Storm, he even convinced Peter to get back into heroing, what a guy.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27314: May 29th 2023 at 3:59:29 PM

They did not get along at all during their team up though, lol.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27315: May 29th 2023 at 4:08:01 PM

The only time they kept something close to her mean girl self was the Disney animated series.

The one set in Horizon High?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27316: May 29th 2023 at 4:10:51 PM

Yeah, the one voiced by Laura Bailey.

Marvel's Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27317: May 29th 2023 at 4:15:43 PM

Never realized it until today, but someone made a point about how this godawful ASM storyline is a lot like another godawful ASM storyline, Sins Past.

  • Both have Norman in a substantial role.
  • Both feature Peter's love interest (allegedly) getting it on with someone he can't do anything about. (Gwen getting it on with Norman in SP, MJ getting it on with Paul here.)
  • Both feature said love interest (allegedly) getting kids that aren't Peter's. (Gabriel and Sarah in SP and Owen and Stephanie here.)

And remember those two awful pages where MJ ranted to Peter about how her thing with Paul was about responsibility? Someone pointed out that now that it turns out the kids were always fake AF, that rant turned out to be all for nothing.

And Wells has officially made no effort in explaining how MJ would explain Paul and the kids to people who aren't in her social circle.

Just misses. Misses everywhere. sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 29th 2023 at 7:16:03 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27318: May 29th 2023 at 4:21:16 PM

I've said it before Marvel will happily cuck Peter 5 times over before ever letting him be a dad because he's their "mascot to kids"

Which makes me go full Micheal Jordan whenever I hear that excuse.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27319: May 29th 2023 at 4:31:33 PM

The whole mascot to kids is an excuse to have Peter remaining single so he can keep dating hot women.

No matter how creepy it gets at times, like Silk.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#27320: May 29th 2023 at 4:36:31 PM

Meanwhile, Superman and Batman both have sons who are popular characters in their own right (though Superman's went through an age-up that nobody likes), and they're still as popular as ever.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27321: May 29th 2023 at 4:38:29 PM

Imagine if we got a version of Mayday or Annie in 616.

But I have no doubt they'll make Peter a deadbeat dad.

At least we have something to look forward to with the new Spider-verse movie.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27322: May 29th 2023 at 4:42:58 PM

As noted the Spider-Man office is run by some weird fucking people

The closest is the Black Panther office who are in their own process of assassinating the character due to wanting to make a....... political message for lack of a better description of what they are doing

One guy is stuck with editors with an extremally controlling and bizarre image of him, the other guy is stuck with people who borderline think he's offensive and needs to be replaced

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27323: May 29th 2023 at 6:34:12 PM

Literally or figuratively assassinating him?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27324: May 29th 2023 at 6:35:01 PM

Just figuratively so far and hopefully being in the avengers book will keep them from literally killing him off

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Cross (Don’t ask)
#27325: May 29th 2023 at 6:35:43 PM

From what I understand literally having him assassinated would probably be a step up from how they’re handling him.


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