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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27226: May 27th 2023 at 8:25:33 AM

Guess he's not Mephisto then.

At least the NTR parts of this run is almost over.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27227: May 27th 2023 at 8:30:49 AM

Don't jinx things just yet Wells like Quesada likes his "drama" (needless suffering) in Peter's life.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27228: May 27th 2023 at 8:32:18 AM

I’ll throw some cursed energy out why not:

Peter sacrifices his life to save the fake kids because MJ is sad. Somehow this makes Paul the new Spider-Man

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27229: May 27th 2023 at 8:34:38 AM

And then Paul gets accepted into the Avengers, defeats Dr. Doom, Mephisto, AND Thanos at the same time, gets publicly lauded by every other heroes and they make a holiday in his honor.

Then Paul and MJ have a celebrity wedding to-

Oh god, I can't even finish this joke.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27230: May 27th 2023 at 8:38:21 AM

There there

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27231: May 27th 2023 at 9:14:22 AM

I got nothing to say about Paul.

There's so much hate towards him that, insane as it is, I kinda feel pity towards him, since he never had a chance to be anything but the latest character who's getting in the way of Peter and MJ.

Even if he dies, I'm sure the bile and venom towards him will continue.

Is it deserved? Oh yeah. But still, for some reason I just can't hate him as it's literally not his fault he was made this way.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27232: May 27th 2023 at 9:18:40 AM

"He's just drawn that way"

He's Roger Rabbit to MJ's Jessica

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27233: May 27th 2023 at 9:21:02 AM

....

I should be annoyed that you slimmed down my post to that, but I'm too busy chuckling.[lol]

Anyway, my insanity aside, are we all expecting Paul to die horribly, or is there a hope to pull him out of that heap?

One Strip! One Strip!
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27234: May 27th 2023 at 9:37:42 AM

Nah his villain arc is coming

Paul: No more spiders

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27235: May 27th 2023 at 9:38:00 AM

Pretty sure Stormin Norman will be back to evil in a year or two, but I might as well enjoy the ride while it's here.

In pretty sure outside x men.. The only big a list villain in marvel to ever make a full Heel–Face Turn that's stuck in marvel is Loki (and they achieved that by splitting his evil side into an alternate version so theylong could have their cake and eat it too.)

Edited by miraculous on May 27th 2023 at 9:38:36 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27236: May 27th 2023 at 9:51:06 AM

More from Amazing Spider-Man#26 just leaked

Oh woooooow.

Level with me, guys: we all expected something like this, right? Because ever since those "I hate the park" and "Do clowns have ears?" bits, I just had a feeling that something was up with those kids. And boy, good freaking riddance!

Catharsis aside, I'll be surprised if all the involved parties (Marvel Editorial, Cebulski, Lowe, and Wells) aren't having screaming fits while foaming at the mouth because someone is still leaking ASM #26.

Anyway, my insanity aside, are we all expecting Paul to die horribly, or is there a hope to pull him out of that heap?

Honestly, is it even worth saving him at this point? Guy has literally zero backstory that I almost expect him to suffer death by lightning strike.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#27237: May 27th 2023 at 11:07:12 AM

  • Reads spoilers* Its Jover...

Just Makima.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27238: May 27th 2023 at 1:12:05 PM

Do we know if MJ is sad over her kids being faked?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27239: May 27th 2023 at 1:34:14 PM

Given this run she'll probably find a way to make it Peter's fault if he tries to comfort her. The guy is literally a lost puppy at this point to an owner that made it clear she doesn't want him anymore

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27240: May 27th 2023 at 2:54:02 PM

[up] If MJ gets sad over losing a loveless marriage, then that's laughably contradictive to the character because since the olden days, she was born and raised in a loveless marriage. Ergo, being stuck in a loveless marriage is the very last thing she wants in her life.

It just goes to show that these guys really don't understand MJ in the slightest.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#27241: May 27th 2023 at 3:17:10 PM

I think a basic rule of thumb for writing is that you shouldn't have fans unanimously cheering for something you intend to be seen as tragic.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27242: May 27th 2023 at 3:18:17 PM

Do you think the writers wanted us to be invested in Paul's and MJ's marriage and kids?

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 27th 2023 at 6:18:39 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27243: May 27th 2023 at 3:48:05 PM

[up] Someone mentioned that one of Zeb Wells' notes on the first issue was that "we like Paul," so survey says maybe?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27244: May 27th 2023 at 3:49:57 PM

He probably should have done more to show us why we should like Paul.

I think the one good thing he did was pay off Peter's rent in secret, but I'm pretty sure that did nothing to endear people to him.

One Strip! One Strip!
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27245: May 27th 2023 at 10:03:34 PM

i first heard about this on twitter and the fucking replies are killing me

someone tagged the "explain this bob" twitter bot:

"We won a big victory! Everyone is very excited and happy."

after someone said this fan base has become more evil than the Green Goblin:

"I disagree. We're simply honest. Kids are great. But the one thing they love more than kids is to see kids fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate them kids."

seriously just watching twitter threads that are half people celebrating the kids disappearing and half people asking people for context and why people are celebrating the dead kids is hilarious

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#27246: May 27th 2023 at 11:11:14 PM

Mary Jane and Wanda can commiserate now, I guess.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27247: May 27th 2023 at 11:29:05 PM

See I'd care about these kids if they were actual characters instead of plot devices to make Peter miserable because he got cucked...again.

So I care about them as much as I cared about the "kids" (clones) of Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27248: May 28th 2023 at 12:43:59 AM

I think everyone is so enthused that the children-shaped plot devices are gone that we've all forgotten our original reason for hating this run, namely that the mystery sucked and it was presented in such a sloppy, ill-conceived, barely thought out manner.

Like imagine this as a set-up for an actual mystery in the Spider-Man universe, that would have the fans invested. Peter goes to the Daily Bugle to, IDK, celebrate Ben Ulrich's resurrection (I can't remember if he's dead or not, it's not important why he's there). He spots a picture of the staff, but notices that Robbie Robertson is missing from it, despite the fact Peter knows he's seen him in it. He asks Jameson or someone else where he is, and the answer he gets is "who?"

Flummoxed, he makes a polite but hasty retreat. He calls Randy, and the number is instead owned by someone else. He calls MJ, asking her if she remembers the Robertsons, she says no. As he's swinging his way across New York, he gets attacked from some kind of odd creature that jumped through a reflection in a window. Not the window itself, but the reflection. And the creature oddly looks like Tombstone....

There, an interesting mystery that ties in with the established Spider-Man universe, featuring a long-running side character that surely has some hardcore fans that would be interested to find out what happened to him.

My point is undo One More Day and give Peter the ability to not forget things when the universe gets magically fucked with. It'll be good character development.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27249: May 28th 2023 at 1:09:21 AM

See that would require Wells to be invested in actual drama that surrounds the supporting cast rather than the melodrama of Peter's failed love life. Which editorial since Joe Quesada have stated is the "real draw"

This mystery of "What did Peter do?" Only had me asking Wells

"What did you do to Peter?" after issue #25

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27250: May 28th 2023 at 3:36:47 AM

Another Content Leak has surfaced, it shows Mary Jane asking Paul how the kids are and Paul has to give her the bad news


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