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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27201: May 27th 2023 at 4:07:48 AM

I'd still put one more day first. It's managed to singly handily derail 20 years of spiderman stories. Like now it just weirdly hangs over each one. We wouldn't have this Damn stupid run without it.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27202: May 27th 2023 at 4:49:35 AM

See I'd give Sins Past some credit........if it didn't have Peter making out with Sarah Stacy.....who is chronologically still a child because Goblin DNA (later unstable clone genetics).

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27203: May 27th 2023 at 4:55:50 AM

I don't remember that happening at all in Sins Past.

Or maybe I managed to mentally delete it from my brain.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27204: May 27th 2023 at 5:14:44 AM

It happened in the just as bad Sins Remembered...infront of MJ

So for the record Spidey being the kids' father out of the question because pre marital sex is bad and kids age Peter too much.

But Gwen cheating on Peter with her future killer and one of those rapidly aged kids ends up being attracted to Peter totally cool/s

This is why I will forever thank Spencer for that retcon

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27205: May 27th 2023 at 5:16:10 AM

Ah, my brain deleted Sins Remembered.

I wish it could again but at least there's a retcon.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27206: May 27th 2023 at 5:33:24 AM

Sins Remembered is a different storyline, and by different writers. I don't count that against Sins Past.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27207: May 27th 2023 at 5:40:15 AM

Nah if I blame OMD for all future crappy Spider-Man stories (hence why it's at the top of the list)

Then I'm holding Sins Past to the same standard as it came from the same backwards editorial decisions from Joe Quesada

The fact it took over ten years to be retconned speaks to how much damage it did to Gwen Stacy's character that shows like Spectacular Spider-Man and TASM movies had to fix before Spider-Gwen gave a version of Gwen Stacy some presence in comics again.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27208: May 27th 2023 at 5:44:18 AM

I feel bad for JMS. It's weird how his run would probably be one of the most acclaimed of the modern age...if it wasn't weighed down by two of the worst spiderman stories ever that were just hoisted on him by editorial.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27209: May 27th 2023 at 5:46:25 AM

Well it WAS JMS who had the idea for Sins Past in the first place, just with the kids as Peter's, IIRC.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27210: May 27th 2023 at 5:48:58 AM

Tbf the worst ideas of this like gwen fucking Norman. Or peters weird feelings for gwens daughter which are the things peel hate the most would have been avoided.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27211: May 27th 2023 at 5:51:16 AM

Honestly though, we're not sure if in some timeline where JMS did manage to get the story told as he intended that it would automatically be better than what we got.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27212: May 27th 2023 at 5:57:14 AM

See wouldn't mind the kids being Peter's and Norman kidnapping them because let's be honest this would just be the second time he's kidnapped Peter's kid.

Or hell even Linkara's alternative of the kids just being Harry's from a drunken affair both of them regretted.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27213: May 27th 2023 at 5:59:53 AM

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised Norman hasn't raised Mayday himself just to piss off Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27214: May 27th 2023 at 6:02:23 AM

That would require Marvel Editorial admitting Peter has a kid.

Which they've shown will gladly cuck Peter 5 times over before daring to admit he's a father in mainline continuity.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27215: May 27th 2023 at 6:03:19 AM

Fair enough, most we're getting is Norman feeling regret over the baby but never actually bringing it up to Peter.

Even though they are allies for now.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27216: May 27th 2023 at 6:06:29 AM

I still think making sins past a plot of Norman's instead of Harry's would have made way more sense as a retcon. He's made fake people to screw with Peter before, like that weird Green Goblin construct.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27217: May 27th 2023 at 6:07:34 AM

hell even Linkara's alternative of the kids just being Harry's from a drunken affair both of them regretted

Why they didn't do this. I dunno? It wound help void the biggest issues. And fans wouldn't have had anywhere near as much issues.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27218: May 27th 2023 at 6:09:17 AM

Hence why Gold Goblin was a bad idea.

You can have Norman in prison and remorseful but don't make him into a hero.

Actually give back Mayday and let Peter be a father.

Heck at this point I wonder how MJ would react to the news her still born daughter is actually alive and now with Peter.

Would she still put priority over her adopted kids w/Paul or demand Peter give her Mayday because "he's a mess"

....Actually knowing Marvel it would definitely be the latter.

[up] Plus Gwen and Harry actually dated in the past so it would make some sense she would try to comfort him while he's hit rock bottom with his alchohal and drug addiction.

Edited by FKJ10 on May 27th 2023 at 6:11:24 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27219: May 27th 2023 at 8:14:52 AM

Gold Golbin might be a dumb idea but I enjoyed it way more than what I've seen of Well's run.

Like fuck it, Norman's struggles are a lot more compelling than whatever the hell's going on with Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27220: May 27th 2023 at 8:20:34 AM

More from Amazing Spider-Man#26 just leaked

Win Back the Crowd: The kids are gone, Paul goes to collect them and they vanish in his arms. They really were just mystical chains created by Rabin

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27221: May 27th 2023 at 8:21:06 AM

So is Paul Mephisto?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27222: May 27th 2023 at 8:22:14 AM

That's not a high bar to cross and if they reference what Norman did to Mayday they damn well sure bring her back.

No way in hell will Marvel be able to sell their new "hero" as a literal baby killer.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27223: May 27th 2023 at 8:23:32 AM

Pretty sure Stormin Norman will be back to evil in a year or two, but I might as well enjoy the ride while it's here.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27224: May 27th 2023 at 8:23:55 AM

[up][up] Paul lets out a big Calculon-esque "nooooooooooo" when it happens so he didn't know they weren't real

Edited by Zarius on May 27th 2023 at 8:24:17 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27225: May 27th 2023 at 8:25:32 AM

Hah that might be the best thing that's happened in this run yet.

So what Paul is gonna pull a Scarlet Witch to get back his fake kids.....who never had a name or I just forgot they had one

Edited by FKJ10 on May 27th 2023 at 8:26:57 AM


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