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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27126: May 25th 2023 at 8:17:36 AM

Really says something that the happiest version of the original Gwen Stacy was the Mexican comics version that ignored her death and married Peter.

Heck the What if Gwen Stacy lived story's only negative outcome was Goblin exposed Peter's identity to JJ who broadcasted it to the world.

Which compared to what happened to Matt Murdock in "Born Again" was minor. As Gwen is still alive, married to Peter and accepted his secret identity. Heck she was full ride or die when the cops tried to cuff him.

Old stories like that is why I say Sins Past was straight up character assassination for Gwen Stacy.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27127: May 25th 2023 at 8:19:23 AM

I do agree Miles really needs his own love interest that isn't related to Peter.

Like Gwen kinda functions as a multiversal sloppy seconds for him, "oh Peter has MJ so Gwen is free to be dated by anyone". Its kinda demeaning for both character from a meta standpoint.

Plus it does further restrict Miles to Spider-Verse stuff. It makes him the multiverse guy instead of having his own particular elements like Peter has.

And we already have issues with Peter taking stuff from Miles, MCU Spider-Man took a lot from him with movie Ned Leeds basically being Ganke.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ChrisParker95 Since: Apr, 2017
#27128: May 25th 2023 at 8:23:34 AM

In regards to the symbiote changing the host's personality, it may not be the original story, but the most likely reason it's been used so many times is because it's more dramatic. Peter rejecting the symbiote because it's trying forcibly bond with him, feeding on his adrenaline, and controlling him while he sleeps isn't as engaging as it twisting his mind and body and making him almost betray his principles.

ChrisParker95 Since: Apr, 2017
#27129: May 25th 2023 at 8:26:30 AM

And as for Miles needing a different love interest, there is Hailey Cooper from his game. I think she'd be a good love interest.

Edited by ChrisParker95 on May 25th 2023 at 8:27:04 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27130: May 25th 2023 at 8:29:18 AM

To think Venom the character only exists because Todd Mc Farlane hated the black suit that much he had to come up with a story to explain why Peter ditches the cool suit....

I find this rather surprising considering that McFarlane created Spawn whose suit is basically the symbiote taken Up To Eleven.


But Black Cat is INFAMOUS for her unwillingness to commit to a serious relationship with Peter as she's only loved Spidey up until recently in the Wells' run. Heck in the Sony game universe she might be Peter's baby mama and still values stealing over a stable family life

In fairness, Felicia coming to love Peter and Spider-Man was long before Wells. And I'm fairly certain Sony game Felicia doesn't even have a kid, let alone Peter's.

So yeah this is more of Marvel comics unatural fixation on dogging Peter Parker

It's quite telling that pre-One More Day was much more willing to hold Felicia to account for how her and Peter's relationship ended. Compare this Venomverse book to that issue where she talks down the Rhino or even something like the infamous Evil That Men Do.]]

[[quoteblock]]It's really just in the comics as the games, movies and cartoons really have the best parts of Peter's love life.

Which is saying something considering we get stuff like MJ abandoning John Jameson at the altar for Peter, Spectacular Felicia hating Spider-Man for giving her dad a conscience and 90s Fox show Felicia dumping Peter out of nowhere for Morbius (that guy just makes everything better, doesn't he?). Also, did anyone find it weird that they never learned each other's true identities on that show, despite the obvious clues?

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27131: May 25th 2023 at 8:36:18 AM

Miles hasn't had that many relationships, unless you count Lana's one sided thing for him that went nowhere.

Out of them, I think I like his current one with Tiana the best. I think they complement each other well.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27132: May 25th 2023 at 8:52:47 AM

For Mc Farlane it was also a case of he really loved the classic Red and Blue suit over the Black one, to each their own.

I've always preferred the black suit heck in Marvel Ultimate Alliance I exclusively wore that once I unlocked it.

Funny thing about TAS series Felicia even after Morbius when she was summoned for the shows version of Secret Wars she ended up hooking up with Peter again despite being with Morbius.....not really loyal.

Just realized this Zeb Wells run is the bad ending basically the bad ending to the 90s TAS

As there you had Spider-Man going to be reunited with MJ after thanks to Madan Web because he selflessly saved the multiverse and showed himself to be the best out of not only all the other Marvel heroes but other Spider-Men.

Compared to here where Peter basically shows his whole ass to the other heroes burns every bridge for an MJ who just ended up cheating and leaving him for some OC.

Edited by FKJ10 on May 25th 2023 at 9:00:22 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27133: May 25th 2023 at 9:21:35 AM

Gwen marrying Peter in the Mexican comics is an urban legend, it was a dream sequence in one story, and a future volume of the comic did eventually reprint Gwen's death.

Edited by Zarius on May 25th 2023 at 9:21:56 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27134: May 25th 2023 at 10:13:26 AM

The source of the ASM#26 spoilers was a Youtube channel, they were given the leaks by a disgruntled internal Marvel source who wasn't happy with the manner in which Marvel were handling the death.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27135: May 25th 2023 at 12:12:32 PM

[up] So it really was an inside job after all? surprised

Oooh, I can feel those dominos falling over already! evil grin

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27136: May 25th 2023 at 12:21:26 PM

Don't sound too happy, actions like these have consequences for the leaker.

And the fact that we know means they are close to catching them.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27137: May 25th 2023 at 12:34:36 PM

If they reveal who did it the guy's just gonna become a martyr because the only people who are praising Kamala's death are the racist nerds. Everyone else is calling this story out as a cheap and unearned shock death to eventually revive Kamala as a mutant with her MCU powers

Frankly this entire run is like a badly booked WWE storyline. Everyone hates loudly voices they're opinions online and the writers revile in it.

Edited by FKJ10 on May 25th 2023 at 12:36:51 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27138: May 25th 2023 at 12:36:48 PM

Yeah but people need to eat, the leaker might get blacklisted unfortunately in the industry if they get caught.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27139: May 25th 2023 at 12:41:07 PM

Frankly put they'd have better chances going independent and using that infamy for clout online but this is going off topic.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27140: May 25th 2023 at 12:42:38 PM

So how is Jameson these days? Is he still Spider-Man's best friend?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27141: May 25th 2023 at 2:10:50 PM

Don't sound too happy, actions like these have consequences for the leaker.

And the fact that we know means they are close to catching them.

Okay, how is it that when someone leaks spicy info like this on TV and in the movies, it's considered good, but in reality, it isn't?

And speaking of leaks, we got another one, namely the spoiler cover that spoils the big OMGWTF death that'll be rendered irrelevant in a couple of months.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on May 25th 2023 at 5:11:08 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27142: May 25th 2023 at 2:14:24 PM

Well, do you know what happened to those leakers in those cases?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27143: May 25th 2023 at 2:58:55 PM

[up] I tried looking it up, but I was getting bupkis. But I guess the takeaway is that even though they're leaking something that will piss off people because it pisses the leaker themself off, it doesn't change the fact that they're still jeopardizing their careers for this kind of stunt.

Agh. sad

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27144: May 25th 2023 at 3:23:44 PM

Last we saw Jameson was back during Dark Web, where Ben made him run a Daily Bugle staffed by demons. There were a few fun moments there.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27145: May 25th 2023 at 3:34:51 PM

Demons: "Say the line, Bart!"

Jameson, crying: "I want p-pictures, juicy pictures of spider-man..."

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27146: May 25th 2023 at 11:13:09 PM

But Black Cat is INFAMOUS for her unwillingness to commit to a serious relationship with Peter as she's only loved Spidey up until recently in the Wells' run. Heck in the Sony game universe she might be Peter's baby mama and still values stealing over a stable family life

Has wells run addressed that or have they just ignored that.

I know the movie is going with it but Gwen/Miles has never made sense to me as a pairing in the comics

They don’t really have any chemistry, Miles has a girlfriend

Miles was single when they were teasing a romance between the two.

Sadly though the movie brought it back for an inexplicable reason and cause of it's success we're stuck with it.

They already teased it in the first film. It's less "bringing back" and more following up what they set up.

Edited by Cortez on May 25th 2023 at 2:28:14 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27147: May 25th 2023 at 11:18:54 PM

I know it's set-up from the first film, it was already there with the ship-tease moments they had

Edited by slimcoder on May 25th 2023 at 11:20:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#27148: May 26th 2023 at 12:38:02 AM

"Has wells run addressed that or have they just ignored that." I'm pretty sure Felicia's been depicted as more willing to commit for a long time. Not necessarily with Peter, since he was already with MJ by that point, but I feel like her having a fear of commitment is something she started moving past in the '90s, and even more into the 2000s.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#27149: May 26th 2023 at 1:52:01 AM

Not sure what Carnage the Symbiote is like these days.

It's jumping through the multiverse in an effort to kill all Venoms across all time and space. Partially because Carnage hates his dad and partially in an effort to branch out and distinguish itself without Cletus.

So basically Carnage is going through his teenage phase right now.

#IceBearForPresident
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#27150: May 26th 2023 at 2:53:39 AM

I problem I have with both American and Japanese action comics is that at some point the scale of certain stories is so high that...it just doesn't hit anymore. Like I read that and I don't think "woah, that's big." I think, "oh, OK."

But that's probably just a me thing. People like their spectacle. Hell, I like me my spectacle too. It's just sometimes it doesn't hit.


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