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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27101: May 25th 2023 at 5:53:15 AM

I put Silk under "completely enamored with him" while citing a better interpretation of her character and dynamic with Peter in Spider-Man Fake Red.

MP-Lily Just Some Dog on the Internet from Earth-513 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Just Some Dog on the Internet
#27102: May 25th 2023 at 5:59:35 AM

...I wanna contribute to this conversation but everything I wanna say is like, an idea/headcanon I have to make everything more consistent and rational and I don't wanna be the guy who derails a conversation to talk about his fanfictions so I'm just sittin' here with my lips zipped :|

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27103: May 25th 2023 at 6:01:11 AM

Go ahead. TBH, it would be an interesting new perspective and something different than talking about Wells Spider-Man.

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FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27104: May 25th 2023 at 6:13:32 AM

Anything is more interesting then the ntr misery porn of the comics

Surprised we haven't brought up the Insomniac game tbh

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27105: May 25th 2023 at 6:14:32 AM

There's a forum for it specifically.

Though now I wonder if Wraith will be used in the comics more.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27106: May 25th 2023 at 6:18:22 AM

May be ?

The original game cemented Mr. Negative as one of Peters main rogues. And into the spideverse meant lady doc ock and prowler came back into use.

I suspect spot will have Same fate with across the spiderverse of being bumped to major foe of spiderman.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27107: May 25th 2023 at 6:19:36 AM

I would imagine Marvel would jump at the chance to give Spider-Man a new love interest even if it's mostly platonic, Spidey and Yuri have a certain chemistry. (And yeah, I know their actors are married.)

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27108: May 25th 2023 at 6:22:46 AM

I know the movie is going with it but Gwen/Miles has never made sense to me as a pairing in the comics

They don’t really have any chemistry, Miles has a girlfriend or something already, and also they live in different universes again

Also, they’re at the slightly awkward side of an age gap where she’s in college and he’s still in high school

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27109: May 25th 2023 at 6:23:21 AM

Wasn't Miles dating someone from Hydra?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
MP-Lily Just Some Dog on the Internet from Earth-513 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Just Some Dog on the Internet
#27110: May 25th 2023 at 6:24:37 AM

Ah, that means a lot to me, thank you.

SO. Regarding "does the symbiote corrupt people or is it the other way around," my headcanon has always been that the answer is "it's neither." Symbiotes feed off of certain neurotransmitters, with adrenaline and phenethylamine being the ones brought up the most. So to me, the idea is that they amplify their hosts' emotions in order to produce more of the chemicals they crave, adrenaline in particular being their go-to- hence the increase in impulsive, aggressive behavior. But hosts can learn to communicate with their symbiotes in certain cases* and work out a deal to provide them with a source of food without having their emotions meddled with. This one's more of a theory than a headcanon, as I feel it doesn't contradict anything canon.

However, going into more headcanon-y territory, I've toyed around with the idea of symbiotes picking up the personalities of their hosts, with the most influential usually being their first host's personality.

And now into the outright fanfiction territory: I'm working on a fanfic that has, at the moment, 5 examples of different host-symbiote relationships. Mutual agreement/coexistence, personality merge, and personality dominance are the main 3 types, but the former has a number of variations depending on how the host and the symbiote see eachother and what the symbiote's personality is like.

Edited by MP-Lily on May 25th 2023 at 9:24:57 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27111: May 25th 2023 at 6:26:40 AM

The idea of Symbiotes taking on their host's personality is something I've wondered about.

I think it's canon the Carnage symbiote was a new born and Cletus was the only thing it had for any model of personality.

Not sure what Carnage the Symbiote is like these days.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 25th 2023 at 9:26:57 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27112: May 25th 2023 at 6:30:34 AM

Looks over designed. Unsure about the personality

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27113: May 25th 2023 at 6:43:17 AM

My biggest issue with Miles/Gwen as a couple is that I think it doesn't help Miles' identity as his own thing to date an alternate universe version of Peter's ex.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27114: May 25th 2023 at 6:44:14 AM

[up]

That’s fair enough.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27115: May 25th 2023 at 6:45:37 AM

What is Spider-Gwen doing these days?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27116: May 25th 2023 at 6:50:16 AM

[up]

Dealing with alternate dimension clones that have the powers of other Spider Rogues, apparently.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27117: May 25th 2023 at 6:51:36 AM

Huh, really leaning into that meta bit of her being Gwen.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27118: May 25th 2023 at 6:52:01 AM

[up] [up]Spoilers.

Mostly dealing with their creator/controller, I think. The clones themselves seem pretty friendly when they're no longer Brainwashed and Crazy.

Edited by Mrph1 on May 25th 2023 at 2:52:19 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27119: May 25th 2023 at 6:53:00 AM

Oh god, is it the Jackal again?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27120: May 25th 2023 at 7:11:10 AM

I know the movie is going with it but Gwen/Miles has never made sense to me as a pairing in the comics

They don’t really have any chemistry, Miles has a girlfriend or something already, and also they live in different universes again

Also, they’re at the slightly awkward side of an age gap where she’s in college and he’s still in high school

My biggest issue with Miles/Gwen as a couple is that I think it doesn't help Miles' identity as his own thing to date an alternate universe version of Peter's ex.

I agree with all of these.

Though I believe the comics actually dropped this pretty quickly? If not for ITSV it may have been forgotten completely

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#27121: May 25th 2023 at 7:34:02 AM

[up] The comics Miles and Gwen may have called time on romance, but that was after being shown several scenarios in the multiverse where they did work out and had gotten married and had kids. Maybe the animated Miles and Gwen will be one of those 'luckier' ones

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27122: May 25th 2023 at 7:42:23 AM

Really the comics can't decide if Earth 65 Gwen is her own character or an off shoot of 616 Gwen Stacy.

As on paper 65!Gwen is a young rebellious tomboy punk rock girl that would pick fights to defend her nerdy friend Peter before he became the Lizard.

Compared to 616!Gwen who was the quintessential girl next door though she started as the alpha bitch to Peter before warming up to him...but never Spider-Man who she had an irrational hatred of. The reverse Felicia situation

But variant covers featuring the original Gwen keep making reference to her alt universe self

Most recently this Dark What if of 616 becoming Spider-Gwen in response to Peter dying.

This blurring of the lines makes it awkward that Miles is basically dating Peter's dead ex.

Plus again let's not beat around the bush another big reason there is pushback to Miles and Gwen dating.....

You literally got Dr. Umar blowing up on Instagram over trailers of ATSV featuring the two.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27123: May 25th 2023 at 7:53:26 AM

Miles/Gwen is pretty much one of the last questionable shit we got stuck with cause of Bendis

Which thankfully it hasn't been a thing since he left but it does pop up in minor degrees, like how Miles is on the Ghost-Spider first issue cover despite logically being pretty low on the totem pole of important things in Gwen's life.

Sadly though the movie brought it back for an inexplicable reason and cause of it's success we're stuck with it. Which is saying something cause I generally love everything about Spider-Verse but the Miles/Gwen ship always annoyed the Hell put of me.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27124: May 25th 2023 at 8:04:04 AM

I think Jackal is slowly becoming Spider Gwen's Arch Enemy. Which I guess is fitting considering his start of evil is because he has a massive creepy thing for her original version

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27125: May 25th 2023 at 8:15:51 AM

Spider-Gwen clone villainy: This one's not Jackal - it's a previously non-criminal scientist who was maimed (and lost her husband) in the battle at the start of #1. Unless she's the Earth-65 Jackal?

(So not really much of a spoiler, I guess)

Edited by Mrph1 on May 25th 2023 at 4:17:10 PM


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