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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27076: May 24th 2023 at 12:28:42 PM

The only thing that stops this from being full on NTR is that we don't see MJ fuck Paul.

If a certain fan theory that he's a eunuch is true, he may not even have the option.

Turns out the costume and Felicia get along splendidly, Felicia accepts a permanent bond with it, and the symbiote was only giving Peter a hard time because he fears committing. Felicia also believes Peter is afraid of commiting to her and tells him he's better off calling Mary Jane. She leaves and Johnny ends the story teasing Peter while he wallows in misery wearing his bag man costume

So basically, this is a story about two of Peter's exes hooking up.

[up]In my view, Spencer's retcon of Sins Past is a case of the cure being worse than the disease. Even if you didn't care for Gwen sleeping with Norman (which I didn't), I can't see how a convoluted plot involving a Harry Osborn A.I (wow I hope this kind of thing doesn't become an issue for A.Is in real life) and demonic clones is any better. They should have just ignored the story entirely.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27077: May 24th 2023 at 12:32:17 PM

I don't like a lot of the decisions Spencer made with Harry, honestly. Despite being the main villain, he really feels like an afterthought. The fact that Liz had like one appearance and Stanley didn't even appear at all in that run is telling.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27078: May 24th 2023 at 12:45:53 PM

[up][up] Stating the obvious, but there are a lot of people on the planet who manage to have sex - and specifically sex with women - without that particular equipment. Or without it working. Including some historical eunuchs, who were very popular with ladies who couldn't risk pregnancy involving someone who wasn't their husband. It seems a weird thing to focus on, is all.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27079: May 24th 2023 at 1:32:24 PM

[up][up][up] Nah the cure was needed as Sin's Past was straight up character assassination for Gwen Stacy especially after the excellent Spider-Man Blue Mini Series that gave Peter closure on her death.

It was nothing more than a terrible story with a twist to shock Spider-Man fans and make them upset. JMS admitted so in a interview on why Quesada insisted Norman be the father of the twins instead of Peter.

A story so bad JMS wanted to retcon it with OMD but Quesada said no.

So I will take a Demon Possesed AI Harry convoluted clone and Mysterio in a wig prank on Norman to retcon a retcon out of existence.

As Sins Past was long overdue for the "get this crap outta canon" treatment.

I will die on this hill.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27080: May 24th 2023 at 1:52:24 PM

Turns out the costume and Felicia get along splendidly, Felicia accepts a permanent bond with it, and the symbiote was only giving Peter a hard time because he fears committing. Felicia also believes Peter is afraid of commiting to her and tells him he's better off calling Mary Jane. She leaves and Johnny ends the story teasing Peter while he wallows in misery wearing his bag man costume

I've noticed that the Symbiote tends to have a healthier relationship with other characters.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27081: May 24th 2023 at 1:57:03 PM

Peter is an emotional rollercoaster of stress, anger and anxiety under all those quips. It's been long established he, and later retconned Deadpool, played a big role in making the Venom symbiote crazy

Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#27082: May 24th 2023 at 2:01:56 PM

The sad truth is that Peter never really got over the guilt of what happened with Ben and was unable to forgive himself. I believe it is part of why he self-sabotages so much.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27083: May 24th 2023 at 2:54:23 PM

Says something in Across the Spiderverse there's a Spider therapist. Like all the collective Spider-Men realized.

Yeah maybe we should see a therapist guys....

Dracoblade Since: May, 2009
#27084: May 24th 2023 at 6:42:26 PM

Speaking of the symbiote, it looks like we're getting it in Insomniac's Spider-Man 2. And once again, the story will be based off the '90s animated version, by appearances.

...Man, nobody seems to remember that the symbiote was not a bad guy at first, do they? It only went crazy after attaching to Eddie Brock and apparently Deadpool now? That's a new retcon, I take it.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27085: May 24th 2023 at 6:44:13 PM

The latter came from a secret wars retelling.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27086: May 24th 2023 at 6:47:13 PM

The symbiote being evil all along instead of just an alien that can't communicate its needs absolves Peter of blame is I think the thing.

The original story that originally got rid of the symbiote had it die to save Peter in one of those tragic oh no it wasn't all bad, maybe I misjudged.

Marvel has gone back and forth on whether Peter's rejection fucked up the goo or whether Eddie's hate poisoned it or whether the goo's hate poisoned Eddie. Depending on who we're making sympathetic right now.

The symbiote, for whatever reason, wasn't as talkative when Peter first had it compared to literally every other host where it chats up a fucking storm.

Maybe Eddie taught it English.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27087: May 24th 2023 at 6:48:10 PM

Oh the problems from Early-Installment Weirdness.

Like the Symbiote was just meant as a new costume.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#27088: May 24th 2023 at 11:05:25 PM

Granted back in the day they had to justify changing costumes in real silly ways.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27089: May 24th 2023 at 11:06:58 PM

Which is why the Wasp is the mightiest of superheroes

She could change costumes at the drop of a hat

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#27090: May 24th 2023 at 11:09:04 PM

The Flash and Thor probably tend to avoid weird lightning in case of wardrobe shifts. tongue

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27091: May 24th 2023 at 11:44:39 PM

The symbiote being evil all along instead of just an alien that can't communicate its needs absolves Peter of blame is I think the thing.

I never really got that logic. Peter not wanting the symbiote to permanently bond with him is perfectly reasonable. You could keep the original story and still have Peter coming out the more sympathetic party.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27092: May 25th 2023 at 1:07:38 AM

the logic is that they want to make the symbiote more sympathetic

or maybe just shit on peter

"Felicia also believes Peter is afraid of commiting to her and tells him he's better off calling Mary Jane."

WTF

Cat calling the Spider black much??? Peter was not the one with commitment issues in that relationship, what the fuck is she on about.

This story just sounds vile.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27093: May 25th 2023 at 2:08:58 AM

On the black suit Felicia story

In universe Reed told Peter the suit was sentient and Peter freaked out ditched the suit nearly killing himself in the process but Venom legit loved him and saved him

So yeah Peter had "committment issues" from a matter of perspective which turned the symbiote into a yandere and later expanded upon that Peter's (and Deadpool's) jacked up mental state made Venom crazy.

But Black Cat is INFAMOUS for her unwillingness to commit to a serious relationship with Peter as she's only loved Spidey up until recently in the Wells' run. Heck in the Sony game universe she might be Peter's baby mama and still values stealing over a stable family life

So yeah this is more of Marvel comics unatural fixation on dogging Peter Parker

To think Venom the character only exists because Todd Mc Farlane hated the black suit that much he had to come up with a story to explain why Peter ditches the cool suit....

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27094: May 25th 2023 at 3:43:07 AM

But as windleopard pointed out, the symbiote was trying to forcefully bond with Peter, and he didn't want that.

Peter nearly got them both killed because the symbiote wouldn't let him opt out of the bonding - the suit left him without a choice.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27095: May 25th 2023 at 3:49:01 AM

Peter does tend to be treated well out of the spider-brand.

Even the Venom series, the prior month's issue which has Eddie learning the role of the King in Black he realizes this was probably Peter's destiny all along.

Of which Eddie forlorns thinking that Peter would have made a far better Ki B than he is which the Ki B singularity agrees with. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27096: May 25th 2023 at 3:49:41 AM

Peter and T'Challa should bond over how their own writing team keeps fucking them over.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27097: May 25th 2023 at 4:18:06 AM

What book is this in, anyway? I googled Edge of Venomverse and it's only showing me a series from 2017.

edit: Found it. Wow, that story seems absolutely spiteful. Felicia also manages to break into the Baxter Building and reprogram all its defenses to take out Johnny Storm? Lmao I love Felicia but that is absolute bullcrap. And they completely dump on Peter saying everything was his fault and the symbiote is fine on a willing host.

I'm especially sad because Black Cat bonding with the symbiote is a a what-if idea I'd been kicking around in my head because it'd make an interesting fork in the timeline and give Felicia a way to keep up with Peter / interesting to see how there dynamic would change through but this... this just sucks.

Edited by Saiga on May 25th 2023 at 4:23:12 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#27098: May 25th 2023 at 4:42:06 AM

I've started realizing a pattern with Peter's various love interests

Gwen, MJ, Black Cat and Silk are written interesting initially and sometimes completely enamored with him (Silk)

Then later writers come on board and degrade the relationships to the point you wonder if some of these girls just straight up hate Peter. (Felicia and MJ)

....we all know what happened with Gwen. Whose now more popular and younger AU form is now Miles' primary love interest.

It's really just in the comics as the games, movies and cartoons really have the best parts of Peter's love life. Even if thing go sour they get better by the end. (Peter B. Parker in Spiderverse)

Heck even in that one Manga Spider-Man Fake Red they had Silk as Spidey's hyper competent sidekick looking for him. (Venom symbiote shenanigans) who had the hots for him but respected he was in a relationship with MJ and legitimately was concerned for his safety.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#27099: May 25th 2023 at 4:49:34 AM

There’s more manga Spider Man besides manga verse?

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 25th 2023 at 7:49:45 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27100: May 25th 2023 at 5:41:30 AM

To think Venom the character only exists because Todd Mc Farlane hated the black suit that much he had to come up with a story to explain why Peter ditches the cool suit....

Todd McFarlane exposed for having bad taste

Also, Silk had a good interesting relationship with Peter? All they did was make out uncontrollably

Most people don’t consider Silk any good as a character until she was given space away from Peter

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