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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27026: May 22nd 2023 at 10:13:25 AM

i prefer it being as obscenely powerful as possible

spider-sense just shouldn't be able to be countered IMO

Spider-Sense seems similar to being able to sense Killing Intent.

Yep.

If I wanted that I'd be reading the Book of Job, not Spider-Man.

Or Hulk's book.

Edited by Cortez on May 22nd 2023 at 1:20:45 PM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#27027: May 22nd 2023 at 10:49:52 AM

Current Spider-Man editorial see him as a super-powered Al Bundy. He's destined to lose no matter what he does...the only difference is ASM isn't funny

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27028: May 22nd 2023 at 11:03:36 AM

Oh God.

When an actual voice actress for Mary Jane spells out how you're ruining Spider-Man, that HAS to be a sign that you're, spoiler alert, ruining Spider-Man!

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#27029: May 22nd 2023 at 11:15:26 AM

I guess it's a prime example of being too close to a situation to see things clearly. They've personally invested so much in "young single loser Peter"...they can't accept even the remote possibility that they're wrong.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27030: May 22nd 2023 at 11:25:00 AM

An interesting way I've seen someone put it, is that they have internalized the constant backlash towards OMD

Because they receive endless shit over it, they've reached the point of "Well no matter what we do they are just gonna hate it, so we might as well do it"

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#27031: May 22nd 2023 at 11:55:17 AM

[up]Post OMD Spidey is pretty much a parody anyway...guess they figure they'll just go for broke.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27032: May 22nd 2023 at 12:00:11 PM

OMD was seventeen years ago. There are fans reading Spider-Man now who weren't even born when that storyline was published, and have only seen the Spider-Marriage in back issues, alternate universes and adaptations.

I'd be really interested to see some demographics on the books' current audience.

And I'd be really interested to hear what those younger fans think about Peter's more recent stories, and whether or not they even care about Peter and MJ reuniting.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#27033: May 22nd 2023 at 12:04:01 PM

From what I can tell...kids don't really read comics. It's either Manga...or they're fans of Spider-Man through the Playstation games or movies. If they picked up ASM...they'd probably wonder why it's so completely different from the other media.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27034: May 22nd 2023 at 12:07:27 PM

The saddest thing Is if said kids who play that game were to read these comics. They would be baffled as that game is much closer to how spiderman should be (harsh issues knock him down but hey never gives up and makes a difference and gets happy moments). Rather than this.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27035: May 22nd 2023 at 12:10:27 PM

Its like reading Dragon Ball Super where you are stuck with bizarre takes on the characters by the creators tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#27036: May 22nd 2023 at 12:24:09 PM

The thing about marvel and Spider-Man especially is they love calling back to old stories, a bunch of which were during a time when Peter was married. We just got an event that was a sequel to Inferno not to long ago.

If this was a plain continuity reboot like something over at DC, it'd be one thing, but it's near impossible to read Spidey and not know about the marriage.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27037: May 22nd 2023 at 12:24:42 PM

[up]×2Not really, the same thing and Goku's characterization there is faithful to Toriyama's. Regardless, this isn't the thread for this discussion.

I guess it's a prime example of being too close to a situation to see things clearly. They've personally invested so much in "young single loser Peter"...they can't accept even the remote possibility that they're wrong.

What's odd is that Peter is treated with more respect when he shows up in other books.

Edited by Cortez on May 23rd 2023 at 1:56:32 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27038: May 22nd 2023 at 12:27:36 PM

"Faithful" or not Goku has been written more and more as a dumbfuck musclehead moron which has become controversial among the fandom especially compared to his more intelligent portrayal in Z which was also by Toriyama

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#27039: May 22nd 2023 at 3:04:56 PM

The sad part is I think Matt Murdock would trade lives with Peter in a heart beat. So would Hank Pym and maybe even Bruce Banner.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27040: May 22nd 2023 at 3:30:08 PM

Reminded of that time Johnny Storm bemoaned Parker Luck meaning always being surrounded by attractive women and being a smart cool dude

Anybodys life is a step up for Hank Pym right now lol

Edited by Bocaj on May 22nd 2023 at 6:30:37 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27041: May 23rd 2023 at 1:37:17 AM

tfw johnny storm understands peter better than the current editorial

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#27042: May 23rd 2023 at 1:42:23 AM

I'll break your face even more.

Dan Slott wrote that interaction.

Edited by TheMageofFire on May 23rd 2023 at 1:42:34 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27043: May 23rd 2023 at 1:53:53 AM

oh i know

cause in actual context it's very much a slott thing to write

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#27044: May 23rd 2023 at 12:42:40 PM

I'm on kind of a semi-sabbatical from the site righter now but I found something really interesting yesterday. So that Twitter post sent me down a rabbit hole - it was in reply to a long comment string about Kamala's death, which led me to a blog article about the same, which led me to several other articles including this curiosity from Tom Brevoort's blog, which is to date the only explanation of the rationale for OMD I've seen that is a) directly from a Marvel employee, and b) contemporaneous with the comic itself, as it's from April 07.

In it, Brevoort outlines his opinions on why the retcon was for the best and why aging up Peter is a bad idea - basically, he views Spider-Man as a story about a young man trying to find his place in the world, and thus if you give him a stable place, you kill the main thrust of the story.

I disagree strongly with most of the points made, but I thought it was interesting to finally see an actual primary source on the decisions behind OMD, as opposed to apocrypha like "I heard Quesada thinks fans can only relate to Peter if his aunt walks in on him spanking it to internet porn" etc.

Edited by HamburgerTime on May 23rd 2023 at 2:43:18 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27045: May 23rd 2023 at 12:50:27 PM

story about a young man trying to find his place in the world, and thus if you give him a stable place, you kill the main thrust of the story.

Okay but that doesn't explain why they now go out of Their way to make him a miserable loser. That kind of story does not work if he constantly gets beaten down.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#27046: May 23rd 2023 at 12:55:25 PM

They see him as a down his luck guy, but forgot the part where he can at least get some semblance of a victory.

Or just think it's funny to constantly make him lose.

Edited by Blueace on May 23rd 2023 at 3:55:50 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#27047: May 23rd 2023 at 1:02:01 PM

The Karl Kesel quote is interesting:

"Other people can be Iron Man or Captain America, there can always be new Avengers or X-Men, but Spidey should always be Peter Parker, he should always be young, and he should always be single."

I guess that was before Miles...

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#27048: May 23rd 2023 at 1:03:21 PM

I immediately raise my eye at the assertion that Batman is about revenge

He might be thinking of the Punisher.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#27049: May 23rd 2023 at 1:07:02 PM

[up][up]Lmao. Now we have like a million spider men and women.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27050: May 23rd 2023 at 1:37:44 PM

Okay but that doesn't explain why they now go out of Their way to make him a miserable loser. That kind of story does not work if he constantly gets beaten down.

Right? His life can be unstable, but that doesn't mean he's constantly losing.


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