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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#26851: May 17th 2023 at 1:59:15 PM

He was the only likeable hero in the Ultimate universe as his death was the only one I actually cried over back then.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26852: May 17th 2023 at 3:33:46 PM

Yeah the moment Ultimate Peter died, was the moment I realized Spider-Man was dead to me.

Like, he was my refuge after OMD and BMD, as well as Spectacular Spider-Man getting cancelled. So with him dead, I just realized there wasn't a version of Peter I liked.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26853: May 17th 2023 at 4:11:00 PM

Frankly put everyone kinda hates 616!Peter even the Spider heroes kinda hate him to some extent.

Mayday, his alt universe daughter, resent him for being a disappointing version of her dad (Which let's be honest 616!Peter literally is after OMD)

Spider-Woman just straight up doesn't like him.

Ben Reiley has gone back to hating him with the hole Chasm fiasco.

Kaine and Miguel just find him annoying to be around.

Only two notable exceptions I can think of are

Silk who has gone from mad pheromone induced lust for Peter to a "brother sister relationship" (Marvel really tries to ignore the two used to go at it like it was there last day one earth)

Spider-Gwen because they reserve all the Gwen agnst/guilt when they clone 616!Gwen back to life for the 54th time.

I reiterate: AGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH.

Yeah the moment Ultimate Peter died, was the moment I realized Spider-Man was dead to me.

Like, he was my refuge after OMD and BMD, as well as Spectacular Spider-Man getting cancelled. So with him dead, I just realized there wasn't a version of Peter I liked.

Not even Insomniac Peter, MCU Peter, or ITSV's Peter B. were cutting it for you? Darn. I'm so sorry for you. sad

Anyhow, Rich Johnston thought out loud about HOW the ASM pages got leaked, commenting that even with advance distribution, it didn't hit Penguin Random House or even Diamond-affiliated stores. And Jimmy Palmiotti only responds "you already know."

Guys. What if this leak was an inside job? Like, what if someone within Marvel was as fed up with ASM as we are and leaked the pages to force changes in the Spider-Office?

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26854: May 17th 2023 at 4:24:02 PM

Given the poor quality of the original images, it's just as likely to be someone in the print process with a smartphone in a warehouse as anyone at 'head office' with a creative role.

The backlash would probably have been just as heated if we found out on publication day - and that wouldn't have deflated their big Avengers launch - so I suspect there's not much for any internal critic of the arc to gain by leaking it this way.

If it was someone inside Marvel, they're going to have burned a lot of bridges with other creators - not just Marvel - if this comes out. Ruining a big reveal another creative team's been working up to for a year or two is not good behaviour.

Edited by Mrph1 on May 17th 2023 at 12:24:27 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26855: May 17th 2023 at 4:30:22 PM

[up][up] Those Spider-Men weren't around at the time of the early 2010s.

Like, I went through a long period of time without any Spider-Man content.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 17th 2023 at 7:30:45 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
MP-Lily Just Some Dog on the Internet from Earth-513 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Just Some Dog on the Internet
#26856: May 17th 2023 at 5:25:04 PM

Jumpin' into this thread, yippee.

Anyways, if you went back in time and told my past self that they'd find themselves significantly more emotionally invested Venom and the Green Goblin than they would be in Spidey himself, they would probably look at you like a crazy person. And yet here I am.

MP-Lily Just Some Dog on the Internet from Earth-513 (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Just Some Dog on the Internet
#26857: May 17th 2023 at 5:32:40 PM

So yeah on that note, is this the right thread to talk about Spidey spin-offs/associates(goblins, symbiotes, etc- I presume the other spider-folks are ok) or is there another one to point me in the direction of?? 'Cause I've been readin' my way through as much Venom/symbiote stuff as I can lately.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26858: May 17th 2023 at 5:43:43 PM

They are subsidiary to the wider Spider-franchise so yeah you can talk about them in the Spider-Man thread

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26859: May 17th 2023 at 5:51:47 PM

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Yep - symbiotes, goblins, symbiote goblins, Black Cat, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Ultimate, 2099 and MC2 versions... I think they're all on-topic here, aren't they?

(Maybe we should revisit the pinned post idea - a list of the on-topic stuff and a link to the spoiler policy?)

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26860: May 17th 2023 at 6:05:14 PM

Frankly put everyone kinda hates 616!Peter even the Spider heroes kinda hate him to some extent. Mayday, his alt universe daughter, resent him for being a disappointing version of her dad (Which let's be honest 616!Peter literally is after OMD)

Does Annie feel the same way?

Spider-Woman just straight up doesn't like him.

Which Spider-Woman?

Ben Reiley has gone back to hating him with the hole Chasm fiasco.

That's honestly a whole other thing.

Kaine and Miguel just find him annoying to be around.

I mean, most of the heroes he works with do as well. I'm not shocked

Only two notable exceptions I can think of are

Silk who has gone from mad pheromone induced lust for Peter to a "brother sister relationship" (Marvel really tries to ignore the two used to go at it like it was there last day one earth)

Spider-Gwen because they reserve all the Gwen agnst/guilt when they clone 616!Gwen back to life for the 54th time.

Like, if they like him, then that would mean not every one of them hates him.

How his relationship with Miles?

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26861: May 17th 2023 at 6:08:36 PM

Yeah, Ben's opinion isn't worth a lot right now.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26862: May 17th 2023 at 6:22:20 PM

Peter's supposed to have a mentor relationship with Miles, but it comes and goes on how important that is.

In Spencer's run, they did this thing where they tried to pretend all the Spider-Characters (except for Kaine) were one big happy family, but they usually don't interact.

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#26863: May 17th 2023 at 8:57:44 PM

[up][up][up]Jessica Drew it's a long running gag she just doesn't like him and his comedic quips while being annoyed with people thinking their origins are tied because they coincidentally share a name. Goes all the way back to Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

Kaine being a clone is just more funny that even he finds Peter annoying to be around.

Miles likes Peter for now but I'm saying is he's might end up hating Peter for being responsible for Kamala's death as Miles cared so much for her he made a deal with Mephisto to save her before

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#26864: May 17th 2023 at 9:05:08 PM

Given how Peter is depicted sometimes, it wouldn't surprise that his clones, who tend to include memories and all don't like him. Kinda sad, really.

Wake me up at your own risk.
FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#26865: May 17th 2023 at 10:31:19 PM

When you've been written so poorly as a manchild you're more mature clone finds you pathetic.

Really says a lot on how trying to keep Peter young and hip is just detrimental to the character when all his peers can grow up.

Put things into perspective Jessica Jones is supposed to be the same age as Peter. She's married to Luke Cage w/ a kid in the comics and in the MCU she's a private investigator while Peter is getting into college.

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#26866: May 17th 2023 at 10:50:17 PM

The benefits of being a B-list character is you don't have corporate and editorial smother so many possible stories.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26867: May 18th 2023 at 12:49:38 AM

In more pleasant news, Mary-Jane & Black Cat Beyond has been nominated for an Eisner.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26868: May 18th 2023 at 1:16:09 AM

Jessica Drew it's a long running gag she just doesn't like him and his comedic quips while being annoyed with people thinking their origins are tied because they coincidentally share a name. Goes all the way back to Marvel Ultimate Alliance.

That's not very accurate

I know there are issues where Jess finds Peter annoying but there's plenty that go the other way.

Like, the Ultimate Marvel Alliance example you gave? It only comes up when you ask Jess about Peter and it's pretty positive/neutral. If you ask her if she and Peter are an item she says he's cute in a funny way but she's not interested.

Going back to their first meeting, he helped her out and she was very grateful to him, and they're on good terms with each other at the start of the New Avengers bit. I do remember a part where he was annoying her because he was being odd and she thought he was hitting on her, but overall she's pretty supportive of him. She was one of the first Avengers to trust Peter after he got his body back from Spock.

And some of the instances of her being annoyed with him might have been the Skrull imposter anyway.[lol]

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#26869: May 18th 2023 at 2:34:28 AM

Fair but let's be honest even Marvel couldn't be consistent who was a Skrull at one point.

So I'm saying Jessica Drew finds Peter annoying like a good portion of the Avengers until proven otherwise./s

Edited by FKJ10 on May 18th 2023 at 2:34:42 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26870: May 18th 2023 at 2:37:26 AM

Never forget no one in the super hero community could tell that Doc Ock replaced Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#26871: May 18th 2023 at 3:21:07 AM

No dawg, that story was totally well written and interesting and deep and not the dumbest shit I've ever heard in my life.

I still can't believe that was actually a plotpoint in a major Spider-Man story arc. Not a two issue story that was in the 1970's and then never referred to again, but in modern times.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26872: May 18th 2023 at 3:37:47 AM

Ultimate Peter did get better remember, and even when he was dead, if you knew it existed, Stan's newspaper strip kept Peter and MJ together, so throughout the BND and Slott era there always was a likeable happily married Peter Parker somewhere. It got noticeable enough for Slott to address and spare it from any multiverse crisis in the comics (while also taking a few pot shots at it's simplicity at the same time)

It's a little more difficult now, the newspaper strip, while sticking with Peter and MJ together, has been in reruns since Stan died, and while Spider-Girl has recently had her dad and her happy status quo restored, you'd only know it if you read Marvel Infinity, and that so far has only been one story

...Btw, when did Spider-Girl view 616 Peter as a disappointment? She could be forgiven for thinking that because she was under duress from losing her dad at the time and having to protect her infant brother, the other time would have been when she was infected by Shathra so it wasn't under her control.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26873: May 18th 2023 at 3:47:51 AM

ten bucks says slott write her thinking that

FKJ10 Since: Mar, 2012
#26874: May 18th 2023 at 4:29:23 AM

Yes it was during spiderverse after Baby Ben was taken by those vsmpires so Slott was writing it.

Also back onto no one being able to tell Doc Ock stole Peter's body. It only reinforces my notion absolutely no one in the Avengers, X Men, Fantastic 4 etc are really friends with Spider-Man and at best tolerate him because he's a powerful ally.

Even his "best friend" Johnny Storm didn't notice "Spidey" was dropping Otto's catchphrases suddenly, changing his tech radically and actually improving in his educational/financial situation while properly managing his time.

Like just one of these things would make any friend say yeah that ain't my homie.

The only person who was able to tell it was Otto in their....was Norman

Spider-Man is the Zoidberg of the Superhero community, change my mind.

Edited by FKJ10 on May 18th 2023 at 4:33:53 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26875: May 18th 2023 at 4:37:19 AM

Nah, that's just completely untrue going off Spider-man's other appearances

Superior Spider-man is just really poorly written on that front. Plenty of enough comics exist that show how much Spider-man is respected and liked by other superheros.


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