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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26526: Apr 21st 2023 at 8:06:24 AM

Hang on, let me get some scans for the thread.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26527: Apr 21st 2023 at 12:26:57 PM

When Peter and MJ get back together, pair the spares with Paul and the tentacles

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#26528: Apr 21st 2023 at 12:28:23 PM

What next? A plot about Cap's Shield gaining sentience and falling for him?

Wake me up at your own risk.
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26529: Apr 21st 2023 at 12:32:19 PM

I wonder if it'd be rivals with the Venom Symbiote XD

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#26530: Apr 21st 2023 at 3:39:47 PM

Or just give us the OT3 and jump straight to Superior Venom 2.0.

#IceBearForPresident
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26531: Apr 21st 2023 at 7:56:10 PM

Wait I just now realized something about Miles' villain the Rabble character.

Okay so her motivation is that she's jealous Miles got what she believes to her spot to the school he goes too. Does Miles school even have a high level science program?

It seems like a normal boarding school, and Rabble is the kind of super science tech character who can make drones and power armor by herself.

Its funny to think she's making such a big deal for a school that possibly couldn't support her intellectually.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26532: Apr 21st 2023 at 7:58:33 PM

It's the principle of the matter when it comes to being slighted.

Reed did nothing really serious to Doom but DAMN IT, HE DARED TO TRY TO CORRECT DOOM!

Who cares if the school was a regular school not fit for a super genius like Rabble? IT DARED REJECT HER!

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26533: Apr 21st 2023 at 8:07:13 PM

There's also the concern here. If her mental instabilities derive from side effects from using her tech, who's to say her losing her mind isn't a given.

Depends if you think getting accepted in a school might mean access to equipment that won't scramble her brains or her always being potentially fucked in that regard.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26534: Apr 21st 2023 at 8:18:50 PM

Oh yeah.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/doc_ock_tentacles.png

Here's how Doc Ock's tentacles fell in love with Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26535: Apr 21st 2023 at 8:29:11 PM

What the fuck

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26536: Apr 21st 2023 at 8:30:40 PM

Bro, I just picked this issue since it was on a stand and I was hoping 900 would amaze me.

I thought I forgot about this story, but no, y'all had to remind me.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26537: Apr 21st 2023 at 9:26:59 PM

That looks more like a puppy kind of thing to me XD

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26538: Apr 21st 2023 at 9:28:17 PM

Well okay, the main story overall isn't really bad. I thought it was a bit above average.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26539: Apr 21st 2023 at 9:36:36 PM

Miles' villain Rabble sounds like an evil version of Riri Williams.

EDIT: TIL of Spider-Man: A Rockomic. https://13thdimension.com/spider-man-a-rockomic-celebrates-50-years-of-being-groovy/

Edited by lalalei2001 on Apr 21st 2023 at 1:43:44 PM

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#26540: Apr 21st 2023 at 11:05:07 PM

[up] Just remembering the weirdos who were convinced that Riri was already evil, or should be evil, or whatever. Just for replacing Tony, basically. And like, I'm not gonna argue that Bendis handled that story well, but man, the way Certain People talked about her was super weird.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26541: Apr 21st 2023 at 11:07:58 PM

I only know Riri from the Infamous Iron Man comics.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26542: Apr 21st 2023 at 11:09:58 PM

I have not read Miles new book yet but I feel like Rabble could be a better character if they tone down the sympathetic view of her, and portray her more as a ridiculously petty maniac.

Cause everything I hear about the character indicates she would have inevitably had a meltdown even if she won the raffle. From a combination from her very petty personality to suffering side-effects from her own invention, she seems tailor made from the start to be the next supervillain.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26543: Apr 22nd 2023 at 5:47:06 AM

Anyone remember Thor’s brief replacement Tanarus, aka the one time the fandom’s vehement loathing of a “replacement” character turned out to be COMPLETELY RIGHT?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26544: Apr 22nd 2023 at 5:49:49 AM

Who?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26545: Apr 22nd 2023 at 5:53:29 AM

After Thor died at the end of Fear Itself, he was briefly replace by a new thunder god named Tanarus, who turned out to be a minor villain in disguise in what was definitely an intentional invocation of/commentary on the Replacement Scrappy concept.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26546: Apr 22nd 2023 at 6:32:07 AM

Just remembering the weirdos who were convinced that Riri was already evil, or should be evil, or whatever. Just for replacing Tony, basically. And like, I'm not gonna argue that Bendis handled that story well, but man, the way Certain People talked about her was super weird.

It was especially ridiculous since Riri didn't even call herself Iron Man. That was Dr. Doom, whom you'd think would draw more ire for being a supervillain who had replaced a popular superhero.

As for Rabble, I think this analysis will help people better understand the character (though I think she was always going to be a contentious addition.

Now Raneem blames Miles taking what she feels was her opportunity. Now you can say that her angry is misdirected, but the narrative is very much aware of that. Both Starling and Miles point out the flaw in her justification. Why be mad at Miles when she could be mad at the fucked up system? That’s not the point of Raneem Rashad aka Rabble. When Bendis watched Waiting For Superman, he was inspired to make that part of Miles’ origin. Miles origin is not propaganda for Charter Schools, Private Schools, or Advance Placement Schools *cough* Spider-Man MCU *cough*. It’s a deconstruction of and a social commentary on it. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-verse isn’t saying Charter schools are awesome. It’s pointing out the alienation Miles feels attending such institutions. And Raneem is now asking the audience the important question that do these kids who did not win deserve to be left off? They are gifted too. Just as if not more so than Miles. And should Miles be forced to carry the burden of the American Education System inadequacy just because he won a lottery?

While Saladin explored how a school system targets students of color like Miles with characters like Assistant Principal Dutcher and Sean, Cody is looking at the systemic impact of schools like Brooklyn Visions through Raneem. And it’s fantastic. It’s all fantastic.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26547: Apr 22nd 2023 at 8:00:27 AM

Daredevil Preview

My god Zdarsky, it's beautiful. It sucks this man was driven from ASM because he feared Executive Meddling and an unpleasable fanbase.

LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#26548: Apr 23rd 2023 at 1:34:18 AM

So, what are your thoughts on Superior Spider Man?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26549: Apr 23rd 2023 at 1:34:49 AM

oh no.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26550: Apr 23rd 2023 at 2:48:45 AM

It has an absolutely godawful set-up and lead in that can't be justified by later parts of the story, even if they were good, and seems very confused about the message it was supposedly trying to convey: that Peter is the better Spider-man than Otto.

Instead, Otto's methods are generally just... too effective to be believably flawed, and the reasoning for giving the mantle back to Peter isn't because his methods are better so much as it's because only Peter has the experience/reflexes to beat Norman. That's pretty bogus, and doesn't really address Otto being able to juggle Spider-man with also creating an entire multi-billion dollar company and complete a PHD while criticizing Parker's lack of being able to do so.

It's an even more awkward version of Knightfall. And that's saying something.


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