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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26426: Apr 10th 2023 at 5:28:30 AM

Was Alpha in Big Time era? I am aware of the character but I'm struggling to remember if I actually read his comics

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26427: Apr 10th 2023 at 5:44:24 AM

I think the best part of Spider-Boy is the memes about him being Paul and being badly edited into the old stories.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#26428: Apr 10th 2023 at 6:05:26 AM

[up][up]I think he appeared and got depowered the arc right before superior. And a few years later had a mini where his powers were starting g to come back and he was slightly less of a jerk

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26429: Apr 10th 2023 at 10:18:06 AM

If only they had Dr. Doom's power-taker-away thing. That seems to have no upper limit on what it can steal.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26430: Apr 13th 2023 at 3:51:57 AM

So with the recent Venom reveal about the position of King in Black, it rather recontextualizes Knull's motivation

Everything Knull was doing was to avoid doing his job. The Ki B position meant he had to effectively build the universe personally with his own hands, a maddening and incomprehensible task even to most Ki B holders.

Especially for Knull who just wants to sleep in the dark because building the universe means fillling it with stuff including people and life. The Celestials he attacked actually wanted to recruit him for cosmic building and that's when Knull officially decided "Man fuck this job."

Him wanting to obliterate all universal life is so he doesn't have to do his job and simply sleep peacefully for the rest of eternity.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26432: Apr 13th 2023 at 6:45:03 AM

That’s amazing

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reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#26433: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:10:50 AM

Hmm, first arc of Miles' new comic is over and I'm not sure how to feel about it. The art is fantastic and it's pretty neat to see Miles interacting with Misty Knight in a way that he wouldn't with Peter as a mentor.

But Rabble is... a villain. Miles continues trying to talk her down to an extent that I doubt even Peter would after she firebombs Miles' family's apartment with his parents and baby sister still inside. He tells Rabble that she's not a bad person after all this, but she rejects his attempts by saying that he'd still be making the choice for her and that she'll never stop coming after his family. She blames him for her parents' deaths and is willing to go out in a suicidal attempt to kill them all with her "Pyrrhic protocol".

On one hand, her blend of unhinged menace, sheer determination, and batshit insanity makes her an effective villain. On the other hand, her motive is, frankly, stupid and irrational to the point that the other characters in the story call her out on it. I guess people can be petty and unreasonable but I can't help but think that her whole motive of feeling cheated out of getting into a good school falls apart if you think about it for two seconds.

Unless there's somehow an overabundance of supergenius STEM high school students in a city with multiple high-level technical high schools...

Edited by reppuzan on Apr 13th 2023 at 7:57:51 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26434: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:11:53 AM

Who is Rabble again? The same girl who got mad at Miles for getting into school by lottery?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26436: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:22:16 AM

[up][up][up] I think the issue is that Miles is still overtly sympathetic to her.

If Miles simply had enough of her and decided enough is enough like Peter does with a lot of his rogues, then she would be a decent psycho maniac antagonist.

But Miles unrelenting attempts to talk her down lend her more sympathy than she deserves.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 13th 2023 at 7:23:24 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#26437: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:24:28 AM

[up][up][up]

Yeah. She's a supergenius technopath who got the short end of the stick when it came to the school lottery. But rather than be mad at the school for designing a system where your chance of getting in comes down to a raffle, she decides to take it out on Miles instead for "stealing" her chance.

It's implied that her overuse of her technopath abilities is causing her brain damage that's making her go insane, as she blames him for her parents' deaths when he had nothing to do with it (her mom died of cancer and her dad passed away later of unknown causes).

[up]

And the weird part about is that the beginning of the run establishes Miles as being angrier and more cynical after the events of the last run, where he was physically and psychologically tortured and dealt with a Bad Future where he died and NYC came under control of his evil clone. The events of Outlawed made him a Cop Hater and he has to stop himself from beating a villain half to death. So this compassion feels even more unwarranted.

Edited by reppuzan on Apr 13th 2023 at 7:27:05 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26438: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:32:44 AM

Rabble's a woman right? Writers do have an issue of treating female villains with the kid gloves compared to male villains.

It's possible they may be going easier on her cause if that. If Rabble was a guy I feel like Miles would have less issue being brutal against.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26439: Apr 13th 2023 at 7:40:57 AM

Rabble's also pretty young, and the first issue shows her actively helping folk in her neighborhood.

Whereas most Spider-villains aren't Miles' age, are they? Lots of them are older folk, often with wealth and power.

I suspect it's her age and motivation, not just her gender, that leads Miles to try to help her rather than just punching her into oblivion.

She isn't entirely making sense, as folk have said, and multiple characters have commented on that in-universe. It'll be interesting to see how/if she returns.

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#26440: Apr 13th 2023 at 8:04:51 AM

It's definitely her age and motivation, not her gender. Miles has fought female villains without the kid gloves on (see the older Bombshell).

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26441: Apr 13th 2023 at 8:08:14 AM

Ahhh, how is Lana doing these days without her mom?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26442: Apr 13th 2023 at 8:10:25 AM

[up][up][up], [up][up] Hmmh makes sense.

Then she really shouldn't be portrayed as so blitz-fucking crazy. Even if her mental state is actively deteriorating cause of her powers, it sounds like they are going too far with how deranged she's supppsed to be.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#26443: Apr 13th 2023 at 8:19:43 AM

[up][up]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen her much at all, especially after the last Champions run ended.

Edited by reppuzan on Apr 13th 2023 at 9:37:21 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26444: Apr 13th 2023 at 9:07:47 AM

It's wild to think that Lana's one of the few characters to survive the jump between universes but none of the Miles Morales runs post Bendis were interesting in using her at all.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26445: Apr 13th 2023 at 10:42:54 AM

I think the funny thing is that by all indications Rabble is not really that much of a good person.

Like sure she has a nice side but her vendetta against Miles strikes her as a hideously petty and spiteful person underneath all that.

If this is her reaction to losing that raffle then it's possible she would similarly blow up towards any setback, and Miles was just unfortunate enough to be the one that winds up triggering her rage.

After all just because you have potential doesn't mean you will grow up to be inherently good. Doctor Doom and Doc Ock were both geniuses who started our decent but life and their own flaws eventually molded them into the monsters they are now.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 13th 2023 at 10:43:26 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26446: Apr 13th 2023 at 10:48:03 AM

She firebombed an apartment with a baby in it? That calls for a punching

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26447: Apr 13th 2023 at 11:10:04 AM

[up] And there is punching. He tries to physically defeat her, and he also tries to talk her down.

And when Miles finally overloads her machines, it leaves him hospitalized and unconscious while she presumably gets away. So there's not much opportunity to resolve things one way or the other with her.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 13th 2023 at 7:10:31 PM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26448: Apr 13th 2023 at 11:14:27 AM

Amazing Spider-Man#24 preview

What did Peter do? More like what did Peter and Felicia do now. They stole tech from Tony and Moon Girl off panel to help Norman equip and add to an outfit Peter needed to access the alternate dimension MJ was trapped in

Edited by Zarius on Apr 13th 2023 at 11:16:39 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#26449: Apr 13th 2023 at 11:16:49 AM

Well, that will totally not come back to bite Peter in the ass...

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26450: Apr 13th 2023 at 11:17:18 AM

[up][up][up] I feel like he should focus more on defeating her than talking her down

This reminds me of Tinkerer from the Miles Morales game, where Miles also refuses to just talk down the villain because he keeps trying to talk her down

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 13th 2023 at 11:17:33 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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