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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26376: Apr 7th 2023 at 2:56:39 AM

[up]That is one of those times he's put his foot in his mouth. Then again, he could very much not believe it himself and was just saying something to rile people up (which I don't agree with).

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26377: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:04:57 AM

There are times fans seem to paint editorial and writers as mustache twirling villains and that can get silly.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26378: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:11:30 AM

[up] In fairness, Slott paints himself as that all the time even if it's just for giggles

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26379: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:15:22 AM

This is the logical consequence of constantly pissing off the fanbase because "bad publicity sales"

Sure Slott's not a supervillain but he does enjoy the kayfabe of pissing people off online.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26380: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:16:47 AM

And yeah this is why I stopped following mainstream Spider-Man for a long time. Sure I'll check in once in a while and buy some comics but honestly, the new shit and gimmicks to distract us from the fact that the writers don't want Spider-Man to really change and grow like Parker Industries, Paul, ETC have killed my interest.

Plus the new shit with Spider-Verse sounds stupid.

Gold Goblin at least had character growth for Norman even if the way we got there was dumb AF.

Sure, the writers and editorial are not bad people unless they did actual bad shit like harassment in the work place but there's a difference between sending death threats and being displeased with the current direction the series is going.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 7th 2023 at 6:18:11 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26381: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:21:08 AM

And like, we know that Marvel has openly admitted to making story decisions to deliberately provoke and outrage people (it sells comics). Slott has even deliberately done this.

So to pretend that the idea is completely outlandish is just straight bullshit.

And idc if someone is anti-marriage or not IRL when the issue is that they're very clearly anti Spider-marriage. That's the only thing that really matters here.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#26382: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:31:35 AM

Like they're even anti-marriage, they're anti-relationship aside some maybe flings till the next writer comes around.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26383: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:32:16 AM

Yeah Dan Slott and certain other writers are the type to stir shit and act like the victims.

I still remember how he acted when the cover of Superior Spider-Man 2 came out. Very immature.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26384: Apr 7th 2023 at 3:40:45 AM

Was that the one where Otto in Peter's body was kissing MJ?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26385: Apr 7th 2023 at 4:03:55 AM

Yeah, And it's clearly meant to look like Otto is doing it against her will. And you know how controversial the new direction was at the start, so doing something like this is just begging for controversy.

And of course, Slott played the "Oh those are just fictional characters why are you man babies acting so immature about it" card.

You don't get to rile people up and act like the victim when it happens. That's just messed up.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#26386: Apr 7th 2023 at 4:49:36 AM

Keep in mind that Otto kissed MJ while letting her believe that he was Peter, making this a case of sexual assault by deception. And the editors almost certainly know this. Granted, DC's and Marvel's editors have been smoking something to produce some of the plotlines we've seen in recent years, but...

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26387: Apr 7th 2023 at 4:51:09 AM

I will give credit to Slott and Otto never actually kissed MJ in the issue IIRC.

But he def was doing rape by fraud when he and Annie were fucking.

Editorial tried to deny it but then the volume 2 comic did address it.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 7th 2023 at 7:51:30 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26388: Apr 7th 2023 at 5:02:34 AM

I definitely agree with Slott than fans psychoanalyzing creatives over what they put in fictional stories is creepy though. Like, I remember Quesada was frequently accused of wanting to molest his own daughter, with no evidence beyond Peter’s first post-MJ love interest being allegedly named after her.

I’m sorry, that is many times more messed up than anything creators have done to fans.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26389: Apr 7th 2023 at 5:06:30 AM

Oh that is fucked up

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Synchronicity MOD (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26390: Apr 7th 2023 at 6:43:01 AM

Let’s try not to think the worst of creators and fans, please.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26391: Apr 7th 2023 at 7:10:22 AM

Otto didn't do anything to MJ, but like a year earlier, Chameleon disguised himself as Peter and slept with Peter's roommate, and it was treated as a joke basically.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26393: Apr 8th 2023 at 8:50:32 AM

[up] That can't be Peter, right? He's got different web shooters, so...Ben Reilly? (But then, everything else is accurate to Peter's suit, so...)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 8th 2023 at 3:44:04 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26394: Apr 9th 2023 at 6:06:47 AM

Bump, but I had to share this!

Behold! The true identity of Spider-Boy!

Real talk, ‪the Spider-Editorial team must have legitimate superpowers of indifference if they somehow see pics like this and not sweat bullets over it.

Or alternatively, they filtered their social media timelines so they don't see pics like that.

Geez! sad

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26395: Apr 9th 2023 at 6:28:38 AM

Wonder what happens to Paul after this run.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26396: Apr 9th 2023 at 7:44:13 AM

He'll go away eventually, remember Jameson's father who was married to May for a few years? Yeah, me neither.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26397: Apr 9th 2023 at 7:47:05 AM

He died in the lead up to clone conspiracy.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26398: Apr 9th 2023 at 7:50:52 AM

[up] I know what happened to him, just saying these sort of characters don't last, and are eventually forgotten. Aunt May in Spider-Man#7 was said to be dreaming more about Uncle Ben than Jay

Edited by Zarius on Apr 9th 2023 at 7:51:39 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26399: Apr 9th 2023 at 8:09:08 AM

Jay's probably not the best comparison to make as he's related to a major supporting character, but I do agree that a lot of love interests tend to vanish over time. Remember when everyone swore Carlie was gonna be a long lasting character and she appears twice a year at most now.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26400: Apr 9th 2023 at 8:36:09 AM

Jay seemed okay

Having cast members cycle in and out is not necessarily a bad thing. If Peter hung out with all the same faces forever that would get stale. And it can help give a specific run or era it’s own feel if it has its own unique cast. You can go too far with this - no Captain Marvel writer seems to want to give her much of a stable supporting cast outside other superheroes but hopefully that will change with Lauri-Ell and some of the others but mostly Lauri-Ell

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