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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26326: Apr 2nd 2023 at 6:04:54 AM

RE: OMD retcon attempts:

Several of the in house staff at editorial are not married themselves or don't have a strong opinion on it. They believe the thing makes Spider-Man not just too old, but 'lame'

...So. They think the concept of a science nerd marrying someone who has been firmly established as "the jackpot" is too old and lame? Does anyone else see how backwards this claim is or is it just me?

They don't want to give the fans a victory and thus give them further reasons to be entitled and demand even more. These writers did argue however that OMD being undone would be huge for sales.

I get that fans can be particularly insufferable, but isn't this a case where they have every right to be mad? For all we know, Married Spider-Man was the best era for them and they grew up on it, so ripping that away from them out of the blue? I'd call it a dick move. And they'd rather stick to their guns instead of following the money? That sounds financially backwards. I'd like to meet the wise guy who hired these clowns. sad

RE: Spider-Man panel details from C2E2:

Well, that's actually a better response than the last time the marriage was brought up. But creatives active preferring to not do the marriage sounds equally frustrating.

I like how they just straight up admit it's personal preference

Honestly I feel like we've made a great amount of progress by just that statement alone

All the bullshit was cut

But yeah, at least we know anyone can just bring it back if they want.

I'm reminded of what happened with Spencer's run towards the end.

Don't tell me. Spencer figured his time on the comic was getting cut short and tried to cram abridged versions of what he wanted to do and now it looks like it's happening with Wells?

As part of Fall of X, we're getting a new book called 'Uncanny Spider-Man'...any thoughts?

Could be further follow up on Mary Jane's Krakoan connections, or it's a book about Rek Rap...maybe even Chasm/Ben Reilly?

I had to check to make sure that this "Uncanny Spider-Man" thing wasn't a photoshop prank. It isn't.

It could really be any of those. But I found someone speculating that they'll kill off MJ in ASM 26 and reveal Peter is a mutant and now it's all I can think about. sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 2nd 2023 at 9:05:56 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26327: Apr 2nd 2023 at 6:46:49 AM

Comics are interesting in that lately every time a new story arc or run begins panic is likely to ensue instead of being excited for it.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#26328: Apr 2nd 2023 at 6:54:40 AM

Sometimes I think comics, particularly Spider-Man and Batman just need to stop trying to be the NEW DEFINING ERA FOR THE CHARACTER and just focus on telling good stories.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#26329: Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:28:44 AM

I get that fans can be particularly insufferable, but isn't this a case where they have every right to be mad? For all we know, Married Spider-Man was the best era for them and they grew up on it, so ripping that away from them out of the blue?

Though at this point, there are quite a few fans who have grown up with post-marriage Spider-Man. To them, bringing the marriage back might feel like bringing Barry Allen back to life and taking the Flash mantle away from Wally.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#26330: Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:49:39 AM

Are there actually that many new readers in comics? The old ones just kind of get shuffled around. So I'm not sure how many people actually grew up reading the post OMD era. And honestly...the movies and video game probably have the most younger fans...and those have Peter and MJ together. At this point...the comics are pretty off brand.

Edited by knightstorm on Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:56:06 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#26331: Apr 2nd 2023 at 8:58:19 AM

I suspect a lot of fans who weren't around for the Spider-marriage would be fine with it reoccurring as long as the current plotlines led there in a natural way, and it didn't use retcons to throw out all the stories they've been enjoying.

It's not quite the same situation as dumping a legacy character and reverting to Hal or Barry over at DC.

One thing that really seemed to annoy people about One More Day was the fact it left decades of continuity in limbo. "It all happened - except when it didn't" is a really dangerous retcon to pull, because suddenly people who are invested in the story so far don't know if that story even happened.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#26332: Apr 2nd 2023 at 9:22:28 AM

Okay, when people talk about wanting the marriage to come back, I do think they need to be clear whether they're talking about Peter and MJ getting married again, or if they're talking about retconning the retcon and making it so the marriage erasure never happened.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26333: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:25:43 AM

So after the wedding issue, the next big Spider-Man event appears to be called Spider-Man's Last Hunt

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26334: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:26:59 AM

Ffs

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26335: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:30:43 AM

Apparently this event will conclude a story that began 75 issues ago.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26336: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:31:37 AM

What happened 75 issues ago?

There’s been a non zero amount of renumbering

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#26337: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:32:40 AM

Not to mention having several books going on at once might make it difficult to keep track.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26338: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:39:24 AM

I've seen some doing back issue mathematics, they reckon it's tying back to Spencer's run somehow, possibly close to or just after Last Remains

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26339: Apr 2nd 2023 at 2:56:32 PM

I get that fans can be particularly insufferable, but isn't this a case where they have every right to be mad?

Maybe they feel that way because of the more overzealous fans?

Edited by Cortez on Apr 2nd 2023 at 5:56:43 AM

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#26340: Apr 2nd 2023 at 3:55:58 PM

Sometimes I think comics, particularly Spider-Man and Batman just need to stop trying to be the NEW DEFINING ERA FOR THE CHARACTER and just focus on telling good stories.

I feel this way, too, but I also feel like there's no incentive for Marvel and DC to do that. At this point, there's not really any hype or interest or publicity in doing anything that isn't some sort of high concept. I don't even know what one would do to even counteract that.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26341: Apr 2nd 2023 at 10:09:32 PM

More on Cebulski's marriage stance

He says things might change in two or five years now, but if he were to give his own opinion, fans would boo him

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26342: Apr 3rd 2023 at 11:36:08 AM

Marvel hyping up something called 'Fallen Friend' to be published in July. Details will be released on May 31st. It's speculated this has something to do with the death in ASM#26

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26343: Apr 3rd 2023 at 5:03:42 PM

[up] Calling it, it's either Paul or Norman Osborn.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#26344: Apr 3rd 2023 at 5:48:24 PM

Come on Paul! Don't let me down...and live.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26345: Apr 3rd 2023 at 5:54:23 PM

Norman Osborn is the likelier candidate. Sadly.

...Never thought I'd say that but I enjoyed Gold Goblin.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26346: Apr 4th 2023 at 3:21:43 AM

For any and all who say "it's been 15 years, let it go" with the marriage and OMD.

Over at DC Barry and Iris are getting re-married after 13 years, and they now have their memories of their original marriage restored, Barry also wants to be a dad now

Edited by Zarius on Apr 4th 2023 at 3:22:45 AM

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#26347: Apr 4th 2023 at 4:54:19 AM

This isn't the movie thread but this seems relevant:

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26348: Apr 4th 2023 at 5:10:14 AM

[up][up] I didn't know they were ever un-married (besides before they tied the knot, lol)!

Edited by lalalei2001 on Apr 4th 2023 at 8:10:25 AM

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26349: Apr 4th 2023 at 5:44:35 AM

I don't want to see Norman slip back into inevitable evil again. Or, at least, not unless they have something new to offer.

Either put him on a different path (as Gold Goblin has), or take him offstage.

I'm reminded on the Kieron Gillen run on Loki, and how Journey into Mystery ended... the world, and by extension, Marvel and its readers, wouldn't let him be good. Some sort of Face–Heel Turn would happen. So that Loki died instead of succumbing.

(Has Norman met Loki since his sins were purged? Given that Loki's transformation started after he sided with the heroes against Norman, and paid the price, that could be interesting)

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 4th 2023 at 1:46:29 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26350: Apr 4th 2023 at 7:17:23 AM

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Hah. Looks like that chase is going to be equal parts ridiculous and maybe a little terrifying.

It's still not clear exactly what it is that sets Miles and Miguel against each other, but based on how they keep talking about Sacrifice, I'd assume it's tied to Miles having to choose between the multiverse and his Dad.

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