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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

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     Original Thread OP 
Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26276: Mar 24th 2023 at 5:26:59 PM

My response is that Sins Past should have never happened in the first place.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26277: Mar 24th 2023 at 5:29:25 PM

Sins Past was bad. Last Remains? Is that what it was called? Was also bad. It’s a lateral yet more convoluted and less character assassinationy move

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26278: Mar 24th 2023 at 11:09:40 PM

What was "realistic" about the twins' original backstory?

I'd have just left them in limbo and ignored Sins Past altogether. Crazy comic book science does not inherently make a superhero story better.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26279: Mar 25th 2023 at 1:34:04 AM

[up][up]Sinister War was actually where the Kindred reveals happened, Last Remains was the story with the 'false' reveal that Kindred was Harry.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26280: Mar 25th 2023 at 6:11:35 AM

I still think it would have made more sense to reveal sins past was a Norman plot to mess with Peter.

Making Harry brainwash everyone into thinking his dad had sex with his childhood friend is an incredibly strange choice, and it really doesn't benefit him in any way.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26281: Mar 25th 2023 at 12:51:30 PM

It was the Harry A.I going haywire that was behind the plot.

And something something Mephisto was behind everything. Pretty sure the devil is into that weird shit.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26282: Mar 26th 2023 at 8:26:27 AM

I've seen a new theory discussed about Paul

That his marriage to MJ is just a beard and that he's gay, with the kids adopted or created from what remains of the God MJ split in two

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26283: Mar 27th 2023 at 5:46:34 AM

Not sure if anyone's posted this, but we have a Marvel press release summarising the Summer of Symbiotes:

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/summer-of-symbiotes-madness-awaits

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26284: Mar 27th 2023 at 11:29:17 AM

C 2 E 2 is this weekend and there will be a Spider-Man and Venomverse panel

https://twitter.com/c2e2/status/1640398277681070101

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26286: Mar 28th 2023 at 6:13:15 PM

And now, a Controversial Opinion:

As terrible as OMD is, Quesada's defense as to why it is not a downer ending actually holds a bit of water. He sees it as a bittersweet ending because Peter and MJ sacrificed their marriage to save something more important, namely May's life. And that's... actually right, a life is more important that a romantic relationship.

It's such a bizarre combination of "stupid, but also correct" that I'm not sure there's even a word for it. [lol]

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26287: Mar 28th 2023 at 8:34:56 PM

I mean Aunt May accepted she was going to die and told Peter to accept it IIRC.

Peter is basically denying his Aunt’s wishes just so he could stop feeling guilt and refuse to take responsibility for his actions.

Plus they did this deal with full knowledge that their daughter would be unborn as per the girl’s taunts.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 28th 2023 at 11:36:00 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#26288: Mar 28th 2023 at 9:25:34 PM

One of the biggest marks against OMD is that it shows just how hallow the "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility" thing is. OMD shows just how Peter honestly fails to live up to those words.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#26289: Mar 28th 2023 at 10:08:13 PM

A big issue is that it was done by making a Deal with the Devil - you know Mephisto wouldn't offer the bargain unless they knew it would be a net loss for human happiness.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26290: Mar 28th 2023 at 10:11:43 PM

Yeah Spider-Man letting the DEVIL play with time and reality is a def a net negative.

I personally headcanoned that the new villains that showed up after OMD like Mr. Negative only exist because of Mephisto's deal.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#26291: Mar 29th 2023 at 8:18:47 PM

There's no making the devil deal look good. Peter denied his Aunt her wish...erased his marriage and unborn child...so he wouldn't feel guilty. I'm reminded of what someone said in the early days of BND...that it would be hilarious if after Peter made the deal...May ended up keeling over anyway.

Edited by knightstorm on Mar 29th 2023 at 8:19:51 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26292: Mar 29th 2023 at 8:20:41 PM

That is exactly what Mephisto would do, but now Aunt May is protected by Marvel Editorial since if she dies then the deal would be even more pointless.

So we're stuck with her.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 29th 2023 at 11:22:16 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26293: Mar 29th 2023 at 11:52:58 PM

[up] On occasion editorial can lose battles with Aunt May too, such as what happened with the Insomniac game. I bet they weren't happy with No Way Home either.

I still wouldn't rule out May being disposed of in the comics eventually.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26294: Mar 30th 2023 at 12:43:12 AM

Just as editorial has weird hang ups about Spider-Man and long term relationships, they also have a weird hang up about Aunt May being an integral part of Peter's life.

Heck the first time Aunt May died and had a touching send off, Bob Harras DEMANDED that Aunt May be revived.

For some reason.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26295: Mar 30th 2023 at 1:34:45 AM

[up] I thought May's return was a successful pitch from Mackie and Byrne? Tom D's original plan was to bring back baby May before he left the book, perhaps that's where Harras stepped in? Is it clearer now which came first? The pitch or the edict ?

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#26296: Mar 30th 2023 at 9:53:20 AM

I wonder what even went into that pitch? I mean...May served 0 purpose until JMS wrote her years later. And has served 0 purpose since he left...

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26297: Mar 30th 2023 at 10:21:36 AM

Good news for Venom fans, the Micheline-penned Lethal Protector 2 will be getting a second printing

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26298: Mar 30th 2023 at 11:11:47 AM

Preview of Amazing Spider-Man#23

Peter ask Johnny and Ben for help, he explains the situation but they're waiting on Captain America's arrival so Peter can answer for what happened in Pennsylvania...they also want to run tests on Peter to verify his identity, they're not sure he is who he says he is. Peter wants access to Reed's lab and while he appreciates Ben and Johnny's honesty, he seems just about ready to thrown down the gauntlet and fight them on the matter

Edited by Zarius on Mar 30th 2023 at 11:17:47 AM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#26299: Mar 30th 2023 at 6:39:46 PM

Does May currently know that Peter is Spider-Man? Because I think, if she's going to be alive, she works better when she knows he's Spider-Man than when she has no idea.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26300: Mar 30th 2023 at 6:42:17 PM

No. She only know Spider-Man as the mascot of Peter's failed startup business.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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