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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26201: Mar 22nd 2023 at 3:44:39 PM

Oh boy, now it's like Tales from the dark multiverse.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26202: Mar 22nd 2023 at 3:56:57 PM

@Saiga Wait that was fan-art?

Fuck I thought it was real. I remember it being announced during the last Edge of Spider-Verse series that included Web-Weaver.

Guess it got mixed up, weird.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#26203: Mar 22nd 2023 at 4:28:47 PM

That's an interesting AU idea. I'm most curious about the specifics, since there's a lot of ways Spidey could have died there but didn't.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26204: Mar 22nd 2023 at 4:35:32 PM

Maybe in this verse, instead of tossing Gwen, Goblin manages to impale Spider-Man and get away, leaving the corpse with Gwen.

Because there's no way she could have caught him on that cover.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26205: Mar 23rd 2023 at 12:35:41 AM

Have to admit, it's a bit of an odd mix of getting Conway and Houser to write the What If with Gwen, seeing as they are best known for being pro-MJ writers and both worked on the pro-marriage title Renew Your Vows with the Spider-Family, coupled with Conway's own beliefs on Gwen.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26206: Mar 23rd 2023 at 3:01:30 AM

[up][up][up][up] I know! I got super excited when I first saw it, cause I'd love to see a Peter/Felicia kid as an AU. Feels a bit more interesting than "what if X character got spidey-powers instead"

So, looking at that cover, it's a Spider-Gwen story, but it spins off an alternate of ASM 121. Interesting.

Given that I'd said here before that I'd be more interested in Spider-Gwen if she were a spin-off from 616, I feel vindicated.tongue

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26207: Mar 23rd 2023 at 3:19:13 AM

[up]×2

He has written Spider-Gwen before and he didn't portray her negatively.

[up]

So like the Gwen Stacy from Earth-617?

Edited by Cortez on Mar 23rd 2023 at 6:20:25 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26208: Mar 23rd 2023 at 3:22:54 AM

[up] Hm...remind me when he wrote Spider-Gwen? Was it during the first Spider-Verse event in one of those short stories?

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26209: Mar 23rd 2023 at 3:26:14 AM

Yes, during the first Spider-Verse. One if the stories in Spider-Verse team up #2 to be specific.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26210: Mar 23rd 2023 at 4:16:42 AM

[up]Thanks, I remember that Roger Stern wrote one of them, but forgot Conway did one too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26211: Mar 23rd 2023 at 7:14:00 AM

I suspect that while he doesn't regret pairing Peter and MJ together, maybe he regrets how he went about it, since it not only lead to the Women in refrigerators trope (before Kyle Rayner's girlfriend codified it) but also kinda indicates that Gwen's only value as a character was as Peter's girlfriend.

So he wants to write a story for her that will maybe give her something more.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26212: Mar 23rd 2023 at 7:15:40 AM

Conway did go on record to say while he thinks Gwen was a shallow character, it’s fair that people are troubled by the subsequent usage of the women in refrigerators trope that he inadvertently pioneered.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26213: Mar 23rd 2023 at 8:41:30 AM

We're getting a lot more of Gwen this year due to it being the 50th anniversary of her fatal fall

Likewise, he previewed Marvel's plans to address "the ever-controversial death of Gwen Stacy" as the event comes up on its 50th anniversary. "I've heard all the sides of the debate about her death, about her importance to Peter versus his love of Mary Jane... but 50 years! There's so many urban legends and myths and everything about that scene, about the art, about the way it was written, about Stan was, about what Stan felt. We will be addressing some of that not only in AMAZING SPIDER-MAN later this year, but also we have something else coming out planned for the anniversary that will be looking at that scene, that death, that critical moment in Peter's life, in a special comic you'll be seeing later in the fall

Edited by Zarius on Mar 23rd 2023 at 8:42:06 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26214: Mar 23rd 2023 at 12:43:03 PM

Looks like we get a Spider-Man: India miniseries, starting in June.

"Pavitr Prabhakar is back, fresh from "The End of the Spider-Verse" in in his own universe's Mumbai. But things aren't exactly simple. There's a science professor promising results, activating people's "lizard brain" along with a ruthless businessman who may be more than he seems…"

Nikesh Shukla writing, art by Abhishek Malsuni.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26215: Mar 23rd 2023 at 12:46:46 PM

Lizard brain, huh? I wooooonder what will resuuuuult from thaaaat

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26216: Mar 23rd 2023 at 12:55:30 PM

The solicit says it takes place after End of the Spider-Verse, so despite what that solicit said for that trade of Slott's run about the spider-verse being 'no more', that likely means that all the universe-hopping is likely coming to an end and the Spider-worlds will just be cut off from each other.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#26217: Mar 23rd 2023 at 1:00:22 PM

[up] Could be interesting for Gwen's status quo.

Or might just mean they end up asking some of the other parallel-world hopping heroes for a lift. I mean, looking at the current Avengers run...

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26218: Mar 23rd 2023 at 1:00:27 PM

[up][up][up] Indian Shocker?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 23rd 2023 at 4:00:37 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26219: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:30:57 PM

[up]×2

Her last book did stay squarely in her universe.

And honestly, i prefer it when her stories are set in Earth-65. They never really did much with Gwen being in the 616, she hasn't even met 616 MJ.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26220: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:37:01 PM

So we STILL don't know how Gwen defeated Susan and Johnny Storm huh?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26221: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:41:22 PM

They died on their way back to their planet.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26222: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:48:04 PM

[up][up][up] Really all her staying on 616 amounted to is to just make crossovers easier

Like I remember reading the last run of Power Man and Iron Fist, during the issue where everyone was talking about Luke and Danny getting back into business', we cut to a scene of Jessica Drew who's just hanging with Gwen.

Gwen doesn't know who the 2 are so Jess explains to her why Luke and Danny getting back is a big deal.

Gwen on 616 is very dependent if you feel her having crossovers and guest-star appearances with other heroes is really worth it.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26223: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:49:55 PM

This just sounds like Gwen isn't handled well on 616 or 65.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26224: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:52:26 PM

Gwen has no character after all.

She's super inconsistent.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26225: Mar 23rd 2023 at 2:53:35 PM

She's handled well in Earth-65 and really didn't do anything in 616.

So we STILL don't know how Gwen defeated Susan and Johnny Storm huh?

She hasn't defeated them, they're still at large. It's just been ignored.

Like I remember reading the last run of Power Man and Iron Fist, during the issue where everyone was talking about Luke and Danny getting back into business', we cut to a scene of Jessica Drew who's just hanging with Gwen.

That's way before the current status. That's back during Latour's run, before her identity was public in earth 65. After the Spider-Women crossover Jessica and Gwen would occasionally hang out.

Edited by Cortez on Mar 23rd 2023 at 5:56:11 AM


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