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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26151: Mar 21st 2023 at 12:34:42 AM

So judging from early spoilers for ASM#22...

The giant crater in Pennsylvania we glimpsed at the start of the run? It happens at the end of this issue, and it wasn't Peter's fault...it was M Js. Basically the Mayan Death God intended to kill Peter and see a ceremony through to completion that would bring about the apocalypse. Peter and MJ are rescued by Paul, who is actually a whiz at creating technology using totems that fashions them into weapons. He gives them the ability to transport home, but the God latches onto Peter and MJ triggers the teleporter, the God is split in half and explodes, creating what we saw with the crater, Peter returns to the present while MJ is trapped in the future with Paul

So it does look like my theory about Paul ceasing to exist if the bad future is averted may come to pass.

Edited by Zarius on Mar 21st 2023 at 1:02:38 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26152: Mar 21st 2023 at 6:45:19 AM

This is some dumb sounding biz

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#26153: Mar 21st 2023 at 7:41:48 AM

[up] I agree. What the actual f*ck is going on?

So Mrs. "Don't-Call-Me-Again" is the reason why Pennsylvania got nuked to begin with? Well, she's looking more like a Mrs. Hypocrite now. Though now MJ's little spiel about responsibility might have a completely different context. Maybe Peter saves MJ, but MJ is all "how dare you save me after what I just did"? Well, fine. I guess how MJ and Paul's kids came to be will come soon enough, but what about everyone hating on Peter? Let me guess, everyone's mad at Peter because he did a bad thing to save MJ and he just lies and takes the heat for MJ over Pennsylvania?

Now I really want someone to beat up that Rabin jerk. Hell, maybe another author can come in and get Rabin shot so we won't have to deal with him again.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Mar 21st 2023 at 6:26:08 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26154: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:00:32 AM

Didn’t One More Day try to throw MJ under the bus too?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#26155: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:23:00 AM

Better under a bus than off a bridge.

We all know this is gonna fail. There's no way this will turn people against MJ, and I don't know why they're trying.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26156: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:29:11 AM

That’s because when they tried to bridge MJ the fans practically rioted. Let’s be clear: they’ve tried it before. Throwing up arbitrary bullshit to keep Peter and MJ apart and trying to make her unlikable is the compromise where fans grumble but the tease that maybe Peter and MJ will get back together keeps people coming back.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26157: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:30:55 AM

I wish we had more information on why this one character has evidently been a Single-Issue Wonk for the suits for over twenty years, I really do.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26158: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:32:48 AM

Simple. They don't want Spider-Man to be tied down.

But MJ is too popular and none of the other love interests really capture the same chemistry those two have.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26159: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:34:13 AM

If the writers keep using the Derailing Love Interests trope like this, Peter may end up with his own group of seven evil exes.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26160: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:36:20 AM

And unlike Peter's last big love interest, MJ is just too popular to get rid of.

The fact that he actually married her and they were in a committed relationship for years doesn't help.

Gwen had her fans, but that wasn't enough to prevent her death. MJ on the other hand, is just too big.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26161: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:43:56 AM

At this rate, I'd rather they just drop romance entirely from Spider-Man if this is how they're going to keep treating any woman he's ever dated.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26162: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:54:00 AM

You know, that team of evil Spider-Man exes sounds like a fun crack idea.

Who would you put?

Maybe MJ, Gwen Stacy, Black Cat, Debra Whitman, Jill Stacy, Songbird, and Mephisto.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26163: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:57:01 AM

If they did that, then they'd have to revive original Gwen Stacy, since the other reason she died was because they didn't want Peter to be married back then either.

Hell, MJ's current situation, with the writers constantly finding ways to keep her and Peter apart arguably renders Gwen's death even more pointless.

That being said, I almost agree with the idea of eliminating romance from Spider-Man. If you can't handle it well, (or seem determined to destroy it), maybe don't do it until you are ready to handle it.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26164: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:58:04 AM

[up] Did you forget Gwen came back in the Clone Conspiracy?

I don't blame you, I hated that story.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26165: Mar 21st 2023 at 8:58:53 AM

No. I remembered that.

Most everyone seems to hate it.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26166: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:01:33 AM

I'd stick to Spider-Man having adventures with Jameson and his sister if we go down the no romance route for a while.

But Marvel won't do it because paradoxically, the romance in Spidey no matter how much bait it is, is still a large draw.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26167: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:01:47 AM

[up][up] I thought it was a mixed bag. I actually respected its attempt to give more "agentic" endings to both Gwen and Mattie Franklin.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Mar 21st 2023 at 11:02:31 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26168: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:06:15 AM

Really, those "agentic" endings were shallow since we all know the real reason they die AGAIN is because it's inconvenient to Marvel if they are still alive.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26169: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:14:08 AM

Sorry what does "agentic" mean?

I get the Mephisto joke, but has Peter ever dated Songbird?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26170: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:15:21 AM

[up] Basically means new deaths for them where they aren't completely helpless. They have agency in their own ends this time.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26171: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:15:52 AM

[up][up]They went out for coffee around the time Dark Reign ended.

Or maybe I mistook her for another character.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 22nd 2023 at 12:16:01 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#26172: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:35:32 AM

I thought that was Carol Danvers (who was Ms. Marvel at the time IIRC)?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26173: Mar 21st 2023 at 9:36:03 AM

Maybe, I need to find that book to check.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26174: Mar 21st 2023 at 10:13:35 AM

I like what they did for Mattie, because Jameson never reacting to his daughter's death onscreen when he was a major character is insane to me.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26175: Mar 21st 2023 at 10:24:04 AM

Extra details from the spoilers

No doubt Paul created the powers MJ is using, he's apparently a super scientist, a genius like Peter. Paul also knows that Peter is Spider-Man, and has known since the run began. It is Paul that creates the teleporter that he insists Peter use to return to the past, but Peter wants to send MJ back to their world, MJ makes the decision for Peter and sends him back

So MJ and Paul are kind of both responsible for the crater, seeing as Paul develops the tech and MJ makes the choice to return Peter to the present


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