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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26051: Mar 7th 2023 at 4:12:30 PM

I don't buy Electro being smart.

He is from what I've seen defined as having absolutely no impulse control or ability for greater planning.

He is pretty much a tantrum throwing psychopath with little intelligence and is always treated as among the dumber members on any given team.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 7th 2023 at 4:19:35 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26052: Mar 7th 2023 at 4:27:37 PM

He does get to occasionally show that he is smart on occasion like rallying people against the DB back in BND.

Doc Ock even notes he's less stupid and more that he has poor impulse control and insecurity issues.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#26053: Mar 7th 2023 at 4:36:26 PM

Being intelligent and being an impulsive, short-sighted fool are by no means mutually exclusive.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26054: Mar 7th 2023 at 4:57:37 PM

Also note that the new Electro, Francine Fry falls for tricks that Spidey flat out states Max wouldn't fall for anymore.

Like Peter takes her out using the sprinkler system. Max may not be perfect, but he's been Electro long enough to know better than to get in that position in the first place.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26055: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:01:00 PM

[up][up] Ehhhh.... fair enough.

Just noting that Electro is generally more useful on the team than Kraven no matter how dumb he is.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26056: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:03:11 PM

Eh its Electro. At this point he's kept around out of pity like how you keep around a dumb animal.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26057: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:05:22 PM

Rhino is consistently the dumbest of Spider-Man rogues though.

So if anyone gets the pity treatment, it's him.

At least Electro has power even if he's dumb.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 7th 2023 at 9:05:45 PM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26058: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:25:49 PM

Rhino is sometimes a genius. It’s kinda weird

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#26059: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:33:06 PM

[up][up][up][up] I mean, I was agreeing with you. What slimcoder was saying about his temperament doesn't mean he's not smart.

He can be a brutish thug and also book-smart enough to be an engineer. These don't contradict each other.

Edited by Perseus on Mar 8th 2023 at 12:38:53 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26060: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:41:58 PM

I didn't even realize Kraven was considered a bad villain until I started frequenting this site.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26061: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:46:33 PM

He's still a good villain

Hell Kraven has tangled with Black Panther several times. Its actually rather funny Kraven has defeated or nearly defeated T'Challa several times.

Even T has a level of respect for the guy, acknowledging his honor.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 7th 2023 at 5:47:01 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26062: Mar 7th 2023 at 5:48:20 PM

I think Kraven is a better solo villain than as a member of the Sinister Six.

Being a face in the crowd doesn't benefit him and he can wind up overshadowed by the most spectacular powersets there.

Hell, I think in the first gathering of the Sinister Six, Spider-Man didn't even bother fighting Kraven. Just stole the thingum he was guarding and then left.

[up] I think Kraven is in the "peak human" club. He's kind of a mix of Captain America and Black Panther in that he's jacked up on herb potion.

Edited by Bocaj on Mar 7th 2023 at 8:49:29 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26063: Mar 7th 2023 at 6:25:05 PM

I wouldn't say Kraven is a particularly good team villain, because his whole thing is prepping to fight Spidey and not the other way around.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#26064: Mar 7th 2023 at 7:55:49 PM

Yeah. Him and Mysterio would probably be pretty good team players I'd imagine.

Both have prep time as their thing, so they'd arguably be able to organize things pretty well alongside Ock.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#26065: Mar 7th 2023 at 11:51:18 PM

[up][up][up] Kraven's strength is inconsistent, like a lot of Spidey's rogues when they crossover with other humans.

This has come up in this thread before, but I believe he's meant to be legitimately superhuman through the jungle herbs

Kraven's okay but I think he's simply ran his course like a lot of OG Spidey rogues. I haven't actually read Last Hunt yet and I can't wait to tell you all I think it's mid when I get there

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26066: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:23:13 AM

Well, we do finally get a taste of MJ's family life in ASM#21 today

A lot less like the Waltons and a lot more like the Simpsons

Owen is ill-tempered and hates days out at the park...until he's there, while Stephanie asks her parents repeatedly if clowns have ears

Paul also nearly swears in front of the kids

Overall, it's a chaotic slice of life scene, which unintentionally paints them as a unit you kind of want to see get dissolved.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26067: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:31:43 AM

> Stephanie asks her parents repeatedly if clowns have ears

...OK I like her, can she stay? [lol]

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26068: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:31:52 AM

Sounds like a really bad scene from an NTR manga.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26069: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:36:07 AM

Pardon

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26070: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:40:11 AM

I mean this scene of MJ living her life with Paul's kids feels calculated to make the reader be jealous MJ is with this dude.

Which sort of describes how this run sounds like.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 8th 2023 at 11:40:20 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26071: Mar 8th 2023 at 7:59:22 AM

There's not been a single romantic scene depicted between MJ and Paul yet, not even in this scene where she's sort of telling him off for being as inept as he demonstrates himself to be. It doesn't illicit any other type of response from the reader except "get her out of there"

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26072: Mar 8th 2023 at 8:03:32 AM

Good to hear.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26074: Mar 8th 2023 at 8:10:45 AM

You don't want to know.

Seriously.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 9th 2023 at 12:11:06 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26075: Mar 8th 2023 at 8:19:09 AM

I think Kraven is a better solo villain than as a member of the Sinister Six.

I agree with this.

I think when Kraven's by himself, the plot can focus on the fact that he's a planner. Kraven's most effective stories are the ones where he sets the whole situation up, accounting for all his prey's choices to set up physical or emotional traps to wear them down, and his enemies have to run the maze like the rats he perceives them to be until they inevitably figure out a way to Take a Third Option.

He can't really do that in a villain team story, because everyone has to have equal weight more or less, and because in a Sinister Six situation Ock or whoever the leader is at the time is going to invariably end up in the planner position instead.


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