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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26026: Mar 6th 2023 at 12:23:17 PM

Stan Lee's portrayal of the Kingpin is basically more of a Bond villain mob boss who keeps his identity a secret since Jameson has no idea who he is even when they meet face to face, and it's stated he's a relatively new mob boss from parts unknown.

It's just funny to imagine the Lee-Romita era Kingpin and Miller and Stern Kingpin being the same guy.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26027: Mar 6th 2023 at 12:26:50 PM

Kingpin’s appearance may have been based on Sydney Greenstreet’s look when playing gangsters in various movies

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26028: Mar 6th 2023 at 12:30:24 PM

They referenced Kingpin's men killing Foswell back in the Spencer run, and I think that's the only reference we've gotten to a Silver Age Kingpin story in a while.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26029: Mar 6th 2023 at 12:40:36 PM

In general, they kind of quietly ignore Kingpin's silver age history and his backstory in Daredevil stories takes precedence.

Been trying to figure out a cohesive timeline that makes Spider-Man and Daredevil's history with him make sense.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26030: Mar 6th 2023 at 12:45:27 PM

I think it's more that the actual issues are ignored, while his general legacy as a villain takes precedence. Like, the time he brainwashed George Stacy into stealing documents gets ignored but the Winkler Device he used to do it comes up a lot, as recently as the Wells run.

I think the same is true for Magneto, where everything he did before the Claremont run is mostly ignored outside of the most vague elements.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26031: Mar 7th 2023 at 12:33:28 AM

Marvel have officially revealed that Spider-Man#7 will feature the debut of a new heroic character that Slott has created.

Good luck with that one Dan, we all remember the deal with Alpha.

Meantime, Comics Compendium interviewed Zeb Wells over the weekend, here's what he said

1. He understands the frustrations about Chasm, and he hopes to 'dig Ben out of the hole' by the end of his run

2. There's going to be a big wedding issue between Janice and Randy, along with a bachelorette party.

3. Nothing mentioned about MJ or Felicia, but we do find out more about Kamala

4. Arcs devoted to Kraven and Doc Ock

5. Perhaps the biggest reveal....the return of Rek-Rap in a four part follow up to the Dark Web disaster! You love to see it

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26032: Mar 7th 2023 at 1:00:15 AM

Another weird thing about Kingpin is that he originally was not needed to keep the New York underworld in control according to his character page.

Evil Power Vacuum: A common Handwave used by writers especially in cases where Kingpin tussles with the likes of the Punisher whose lack of a no-kill rule makes Kingpin's survival problematic, to justify his Joker Immunity:

Kingpin's evolution into this is pretty ironic when one sees his first appearance in ASM #50-52. Kingpin initially made his move to unite the mob and control organized crime because Peter went "Spider-Man No More!" and he cited Spider-Man's power vacuum as the perfect opportunity for him to move in and take over the mob, and also noting he would never have been able to come to power had Spider-Man still been active as a known threat. The underworld was fine and controllable before Fisk came around and Spider-Man was the one keeping things in line.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 7th 2023 at 10:40:09 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26033: Mar 7th 2023 at 1:33:35 AM

Yeah, this is part of why trying to reconcile Kingpin in Spider Man’s and Daredevil’s corner of Marvel is tricky since they contradict each other.

But really, the idea that Fisk is needed to control crime and keep it manageable is a pretty laughable idea since there are tons of supervillains robbing banks with him around.

It’s the kind of idea he’d like to peddle as a way to keep control.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 7th 2023 at 5:50:55 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#26034: Mar 7th 2023 at 1:41:13 AM

Even the Insomniac game points out that as bad as the crime wave in light of Fisk's incarceration is, it is not unmanageable.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26035: Mar 7th 2023 at 11:02:29 AM

Some spoilers for ASM are being shared

Looks like Mary Jane and Paul's kids are named Stephanie and Owen

Which strikes me as odd, because MJ referred to Stephanie as 'romey' in issue two of this run when she appeared

It also confirms the being made of light from the end of Beyond is The Emissary, aka Ben Rabin, a mathematician who summoned the mayan god Weyb to Earth in a 2008 story written by Zeb Wells during the Brand New Day era.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26036: Mar 7th 2023 at 11:10:31 AM

Wait a minute, we're just hearing the kids names now?

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#26037: Mar 7th 2023 at 11:19:25 AM

[up] Correct, certainly the case for the boy's name, though the girl's name is suddenly different from when she was given one a year ago. We still don't even know what Paul's last name is.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26038: Mar 7th 2023 at 11:25:24 AM

That seems like a stupid show of priorities

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#26039: Mar 7th 2023 at 11:51:49 AM

[up][up]Paul Mc Mephist-O'Toole.

The news of an upcoming Kraven arc doesn't excite me. Call me a purist, but Kraven should've stayed dead after Kraven's Last Hunt. Every attempt to do something with him (except Squirrel Girl) feels like a retread. And I rolled my eyes so hard at "Kraven's clone son cuts his hair to look exactly like the original Kraven so we can pretend this is the original Kraven who has a history with Spider-Man even though it's not."

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#26040: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:15:14 PM

[up]it just reminds me of the Simpsons episode that killed off fat Tony so his cousin fit Tony came and took over and grew fat from the stress and became the new fat Tony.

MsOranjeDiscoDancer 2much2furious from the Saja Boys' last performance! Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
2much2furious
#26041: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:36:26 PM

when will spider-man writers stop risking the wrath of whatever made the Clone Saga extra shit

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26042: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:37:33 PM

The marketing department

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#26043: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:47:18 PM

The Kraven thing is one of my biggest dislikes of the Spencer run. He made Kraven evil again so he could do Kraven's last hunt a third time and then killed him off to replace him with his identical son and proceeded to do nothing with him for the rest of that run. I think son of Kraven shows up in Sinister War but nobody does anything in that arc.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#26044: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:52:42 PM

I don't know why they keep bringing Kraven back anyway. KLH was his best story...after years of forgettable stories. They should've just let Soul of the Hunter be his final non-flashback appearance...and left it at that.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26045: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:55:36 PM

Yeah Kraven is a pretty lame ass villain and I have no idea why they keep trying to milk his character when Last Hunt was when he peaked. Both in and out of universe.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26046: Mar 7th 2023 at 2:58:28 PM

You call him lame yet we still deal with Electro and Rhino's ridiculous ensembles eh. tongue

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26047: Mar 7th 2023 at 3:01:10 PM

It's not the outfit, it's his gimmick.

Like what the hell does he contribute to the Sinister Six for example? Shooting people? Vulture can do that and fly.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#26048: Mar 7th 2023 at 3:03:47 PM

He's an excellent trapper and trapster

He's generally smarter than several member of the 6 who are basically idiots

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26049: Mar 7th 2023 at 3:28:31 PM

Was soul of the hunter the one where Kraven haunts Peter because as a suicide he’s barred from heaven until Peter forgives both Kraven and himself by giving ghost Kraven a big hug?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#26050: Mar 7th 2023 at 4:00:11 PM

[up][up] I mean, the Sinister Six members usually have above average education.

It's just that they are often held back by their own flaws.

Like Electro was smart enough to be an electrical engineer before his mom told him no, and is potentially the most powerful of Spider-Man rogues but is too short-sighted to use his full potential.

Plus Kraven does a lot of stupid shit on his own. Like that business deal with Norman.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 7th 2023 at 8:00:38 PM

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