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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#25926: Feb 22nd 2023 at 8:49:03 AM

I would like for her to be retconned into being a clone of Peter with implanted memories.

Make her the 616 version of Ultimate Jessica Drew basically.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25927: Feb 22nd 2023 at 9:20:54 AM

The Ultimate Universe returns this summer in "Ultimate Invasion" by Johnathan Hickman and Brian Hitch

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25928: Feb 22nd 2023 at 3:32:11 PM

"Considering only six months and short change occurred" Like I said, the timing makes it ring inauthentic. We're probably supposed to believe what Peter says, but because they were together not long ago, it makes it harder to take seriously.

"Ben and Alicia had a very similar amicable 'ex' relationship in the 2000s in Fantastic Four, and now? They're married." Maybe unpopular take: Having them get back together was a mistake. It was writers being unable to get over the past, and that shit annoys me. I wish more people were able to let the past be in the past, and to focus on new stories.

"Felicia and Peter is not going to last long-term" Of course not, because Peter doesn't do long-term relationships any more. That's kinda my point. It doesn't seem like editorial is interested in restoring the marriage, they're not going to let Peter and MJ get back together permanently. So, it'd be nice if they could at least knock off the teasing for a while, and let Peter have something that lasts more than a few months, or longer than a single run. Give Peter and Felicia a few years together before they split up. Seriously, if editorial doesn't want to restore the marriage, the absolute best thing they can do is to actually let Peter move on and have something serious with someone else. Let Peter and Felicia get a place together. Let them talk about marriage and a family. Let them be a genuine couple, not just a fling until Peter either goes back to MJ or another writer throws him together with frigging Colleen Wing or whatever.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25929: Feb 22nd 2023 at 3:36:56 PM

[up] Well I mean plenty of characters don't get back with their old exes

Luke Cage is still married to Jessica and she's a technically newer love interest for him

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2023 at 3:59:05 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25930: Feb 22nd 2023 at 4:05:48 PM

[up] That's a bit different. Luke's been around forever, but he was seldom A Major Character, and he never really had a prominent love interest. Jessica was his first major love interest (and Luke was Jessica's first major love interest).

Sure, there are popular pairings that seem pretty much over and done with. But there's also plenty of times where two characters break up, and later writers decide, "No, they're supposed to be together." And it bugs me, because so often, it really is driven purely by an inability to get over the stories they grew up on.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25931: Feb 22nd 2023 at 4:31:43 PM

The problem is, some of these stories go on for so long you could say that about any direction they take. Both the "Peter should stay a young, perennially dateable single guy" and the "Peter/MJ OTP" crowd could be accused of "not moving on" from their preferred era of Spider-Man comics.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25932: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:44:42 PM

This is why we need more alternate timelines.

Rather than forcing one era to conform to what certain writers write, create something for everyone.

Ultimate Marvel was super flaws (outside of Ultimate Spider-Man) and is pretty dated by today's standards, but it was something new that gave us new interpretations of old characters.

Marvel Adventures kept things simpler and focused on old school heroism and was more for kids.

Meanwhile, the old stuff could have moved forward.

I think it'd work quite well. You could even get specific writers on the kind of books and stories they'd like to write.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25933: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:48:13 PM

[up][up] Peter being single is the result of Quesada (and others) being unable to get over what they grew up with. At this point, 15 years on from OMD, it probably would be pretty much time for the people who grew up on the Spider-marriage to move on . . . except that Marvel seems to really not want them to, continually teasing them getting back together. The throwback minis that keep reminding people of how good the marriage was aren't helping, either.

Ultimately, I feel like, when it comes to Peter and MJ, Marvel needs to either shit or get off the pot. And it seems like editorial really doesn't want to shit. So just . . . move on. Put Peter in a long-term relationship with someone. Whether that be Felicia or someone else, just give him a relationship that lasts at least 5 years, preferably 10.

Edited by Tiamatty on Feb 22nd 2023 at 8:48:33 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25934: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:50:15 PM

Granted we had that with Charlie Cooper and no one liked it

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25935: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:53:06 PM

The last time Marvel decided to shit, we got The Night Gwen Stacy Died.

This time, they seem reluctant to pull the trigger, though we should be glad.

I believe they did try to kill MJ in a plane crash at one point didn't they?

It's kinda funny how Stan created such an enduring and beloved character by pure accident.

Like, she's got the narrative equivalent of immortality going for her.

One Strip! One Strip!
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25936: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:07:50 PM

[up] IIRC the plane exploded with her supposedly on it, though I think they revealed she missed the flight and was kidnapped or something.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#25937: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:13:53 PM

Kidnapped by a mutant stalker who was obsessed with her, IIRC. This was all during the Mackie-Byrne reboot, the ASM run which immediately preceded JMS.

EDIT: [up] X3 Tbf, that would have been when OMD was still fresh in the minds of the readers, and I don't think Peter and her were in any kind of committed relationship for the length of time Tiamatty is suggesting. IIRC they didn't get together until 09/10 and they were broken up during Spider-Island so the relationship would not have lasted that long in real time, though ASM shipping thrice monthly might have inflated it a little.

Edited by Aleistar on Feb 22nd 2023 at 9:16:48 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25938: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:35:29 PM

The only thing I really remember from Carly and Peter's relationship was a Lois Lane/Superman silver age esque superhero hiding his secret identity from love interest and feeling sorta smug about it energy.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#25939: Feb 22nd 2023 at 7:07:31 PM

Peter and MJ are sort of Superman and Lois-y. You can pair him with Wonder Woman/Black Cat and whomever else but they are always going to be considered a side piece distraction from the main event. [lol]

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25940: Feb 22nd 2023 at 7:23:22 PM

It really is telling that Norman only decides to really try to mentally break Spider-Man into becoming his heir is when he thinks MJ is dead.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25941: Feb 23rd 2023 at 12:08:02 AM

And there's also how Spencer ended the run with the reveal Peter and MJ's unbreakable love will create a child that will defeat Mephisto. So readers are understandably just going to wait around for that story to unfold and not care about any other relationship Peter has even for ten years or longer, because they know all roads lead back to MJ and a more important story to make money off of whenever Marvel finally change their stance.

Hell, Peter telling Felicia his love for MJ had 'changed' might just have been Kelly acknowledging the price of OMD. Just because the two got back together in Spencer's run doesn't mean they were liberated from Mephisto's control, and he's still manipulating them. It's inauthentic because the whole of this reality IS inauthentic. It was created through a devil deal and time shannaegins. The real 616 has been dormant and inactive for almost two decades.

This is just speculation, but I kind of think that ending to Spencer's run might have irritated Marvel because they're building up this big Avengers epic where the devil is making his ultimate play on the multiverse and needs to be stopped, and the Spencer finale basically says this will just be a delay for him, that he'll eventually succeed and rule over Earth, and it falls onto the legacy of the hard luck everyman to stop him. Aaron's Avengers run feels like a waste of time.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 23rd 2023 at 12:08:25 PM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#25942: Feb 23rd 2023 at 8:50:48 AM

I'll take "fanboy conspiracies" for 500, Alex. I doubt editorial would have approved Spencer's conclusion if they felt it seriously damaged what Aaron's going for, but even if it did you'd only be aware of it if you read Amazing which is not a given.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25943: Feb 23rd 2023 at 9:06:41 AM

Spidey, Venom, and Gwen part of another summer event, "Contest of Chaos"

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25944: Feb 26th 2023 at 3:31:35 AM

So I stumbled upon this description of Carnage (2022).

Having had a falling out with Cletus Kasady in the wake of Extreme Carnage, the Carnage symbiote (or rather, the offshoot of the Grendel symbiote-dragon bonded to Cletus in Absolute Carnage) sets out on its own to attain godhood by following in Gorr and Knull's footsteps. Ripping out and assimilating Hydro-Man's core, one of the Spot's spots, and Malekith's codex from when he bonded to the Venom symbiote in War of the Realms, Carnage forces the dwarf-lord Drorin Runehewer to forge a replica of All-Black the Necrosword. Drorin tries to immolate Carnage using the the stars used to power the forge, but Carnage breaks free and eats the corpses of the dwarves killed by the God of Hammers in Thor (2020) to absorb the uru in their remains, absorb the power of the starts, and undergo apotheosis.

To think all this craziness with Symbiotes started because of a contest in which one fan suggested a black suit that could enhance Spider-Man's powers.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 26th 2023 at 12:31:49 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25945: Feb 26th 2023 at 3:35:42 AM

Comic books am I right?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25946: Feb 26th 2023 at 3:48:53 AM

The evolution of a concept across multiple years/decades after all.

Its not like Captain Britain started out with the Captain Britain Corps and being the watchguards of the multiverse.

That came a while after a journey of more general magic adventures relating to Arthurian myth.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#25947: Feb 26th 2023 at 4:10:11 AM

At least Spidey is big enough that all this hasn't taken over his entire rogues gallery seemingly. Poor Flash and GL eh...

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#25948: Feb 26th 2023 at 4:36:33 AM

[up][up][up][up] I'm largely enjoying Ram V's take on Carnage, but without Cletus (well, mostly without Cletus) it's very different.

Carnage's new favourite serial killer isn't quite up to Kasady's standard (as Carnage repeatedly points out), although he's still a suitably horrible person. For me, the strongest bit has been Jon Shayde, a cop touched by the symbiotes, trying to hunt them both down.

Cletus lives on as a voice in Shayde's head, though, and he's not too happy with the symbiote's new plans.

It does have a You Can't Thwart Stage One feel to it, though - it's pretty clear that the Carnage symbiote's going to keep gaining power as a Godhood Seeker right up the the big Crossover Finale last minute intervention. There may be twists, but I'd be amazed if someone stopped it before that.

And I have no idea where it'll go after that.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25949: Feb 26th 2023 at 4:51:59 AM

I'm hoping that Carnage's Godhood trip will have Carnage be a spanner in the works and trips up Meredith's plans somehow

Seems like the logical way to tie in his story with whats going on in Venom, as while Meredith is shaping Eddie and Dylan to his own machinations, Carnage is out there becoming a contender and doing a damn good job of it

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BigBadShadow25 With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg. from Basement at the Alamo (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Desperate
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg.
#25950: Feb 27th 2023 at 5:40:01 AM

So there’s a podcast that said that Lord and Miller made a bunch of changes to the Across the Spider Verse script that made the budget increase and that caused some problems in the production? How worried should we be?

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