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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25901: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:01:29 AM

[up]

Felicia sees more like she's into 'fixing' Peter than pursuing a relationship,. while Peter doesn't honestly know how he feels about MJ or what he wants. He's just saying things hoping it leads to better things. He's still hurting ,and she's fine with it so long as she has him, that to me isn't the foundation for a healthy relationship.

That's not a 'distortion', that's an interpretation of the text, and one I'm glad to say is shared by many on social media.

Also, I seem to recall Alicia and Ben Grimm went through the whole "love has changed" thing in the 2000s, and they wound up not only together again, but married, so yeah...we'll see how much of this Peter actually means.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:09:28 AM

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#25902: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:08:42 AM

Ah, social media, the go-to place for nuanced, insightful interpretations of fictional works.

Edited by Perseus on Feb 22nd 2023 at 9:10:35 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25903: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:11:08 AM

I mean shit, is " well people have the same idea as me on social media, therefore I'm right" really a good argument?

Like that's the kind of stuff that's the reason I avoid shit like Twitter for.

Appealing to popularity is a fallacy.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:11:38 PM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25904: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:11:54 AM

[up] And the person who's challenging my 'distortion' just so happens to have a Felicia avatar, so what makes their 'nuanced' take any different?

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#25905: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:12:35 AM

I didn't say it was, just that "people on social media agree with me" is a strong contender for the worst thing to say to back up your argument.

Edited by Perseus on Feb 22nd 2023 at 9:14:39 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25906: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:12:48 AM

Okay, let's all chill and drop this.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25907: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:15:47 AM

[up][up][up]because felicia is based

Edited by Saiga on Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:16:03 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25908: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:21:27 AM

[up] Sorry if I was being a dick about this, I'm just upset and hurt, times like this I'm still glad not to count anything past 98.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:21:48 AM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25909: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:23:49 AM

I saw the panel people are freaking out about. It didn't seem that bad to me, though that might be because I'm in a similar situation with my ex. There's no longer anything romantic; we love each other like family. So I could relate to what Peter said in that panel.

As I said, I only saw the one panel. So I don't know if there's other stuff in the issue that contradicts what Peter said. And considering it hasn't been long since they were last dating, it does ring maybe a little inauthentic. I suspect we're probably supposed to believe what Peter says, that the nature of love towards MJ has changed and that he actually is ready to move on. At this point, the question is whether the next writer will keep Peter and Felicia together. I would argue they should; regardless of anyone's feelings on that pairing, I think it is worth letting Peter have a long-term relationship. Let them keep dating for a good few years before their inevitable break-up.

Has Peter had a long-term relationship since MJ? How long did he date Carlie? So, yeah, give Peter and Felicia maybe a decade together.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25910: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:24:40 AM

Oh yeah, what ever did happen to Carlie Cooper?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25911: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:25:38 AM

pretty sure she died on her way back to her home planet

[up][up][up] tbh i wouldnt put any stock in this. I don't think they'll ever bury Peter/MJ for good, annoying as the attempts are

Edited by Saiga on Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:27:23 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25912: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:27:16 AM

[up] [up]Carlie made a cameo in Dark Web: Dawn#1 at the coffee bean, saying to Emily Osborn that MJ's kids were a "long story"

Prior to that, she'd been used in Nick Spencer's run admitting to her own faults in her relationship with Peter and falling for Overdrive. She also found out the real Harry Osborn was dead and helped his clone equip himself to face off against Kindred

@Tiamatty: Considering only six months and short change occurred between Peter and MJ having an 'unbreakable romantic bond' that would create a daughter that would kick the devil's ass and now where they have 'sibling love', I call frank B.S on what Peter is saying. It's post-OMD, we don't know how much of this is them talking or magic manipulating them into thinking and stating otherwise

Like I said, Ben and Alicia had a very similar amicable 'ex' relationship in the 2000s in Fantastic Four, and now? They're married.

Felicia and Peter is not going to last long-term, especially when built on this kind of foundation. Peter isn't over MJ and Felicia knows she's second choice. All roads lead back to Mary Jane, and this book, for all it's doing wrong, is emphatically pointing towards that, not Peter/Felicia. She and Paul are roadblocks to the true endgame.

"Has Peter had a long-term relationship with MJ?" is that a serious question? Try twenty years of marriage in 616 and thirty five years and beyond in other universes. NO relationship is ever casting a shadow over that and Marvel probably have realized by now it's pointless to try.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:36:14 AM

Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#25913: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:38:22 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25914: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:45:34 AM

[up] He dated Carlie for only a year and a bit, but quickly lost her after Spider-Island, after that there was Anna-Marie for half a year, but that was Otto in Peter's body, then there was the fling with Mockingbird, but that was only a few months, then it was back to MJ.

And I didn't actually see the word "since" the first time. Sorry.

My point still stands though, ain't no way Peter feeling nothing romantic for MJ is going to stick.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 22nd 2023 at 4:40:12 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25915: Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:56:56 AM

Another page popped up from ASM#20 with a bit more context

After Felicia kisses Peter, she tells him she wasn't telling her the truth, he was telling the truth to himself, then they banter and swing off to go after White Rabbit and Kareem

This is so easily fixable, as that line is only a word or two away from being "You weren't telling me the truth, you were telling yourself...a lie", Felicia of course won't confront Peter with that truth because she wants him all to himself, so now she's the one doing the emotional manipulating

And yes, that's Joking Mode and copium, don't at me for it.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 22nd 2023 at 4:42:59 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#25916: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:46:27 AM

Guys, this is in character. He said Gwen was like a sister to him over in Ultimate and proceeded to date her, too.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25917: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:50:02 AM

Bendis was into some weird shit when writing that relaunch.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25918: Feb 22nd 2023 at 5:58:18 AM

Stop dating your sisters, Pete

Especially don’t date Teresa. She makes duck face when shooting guns

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25919: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:09:59 AM

Well it can't be worse than Malcolm Dragon from Savage Dragon

He actually does enter in a relationship with his half-sister

Dragons am I right? [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25920: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:31:15 AM

What the fuck, Malcom Dragon

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25921: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:34:24 AM

Wait no I'm checking the Image wiki, she's his step-sister.

I don't know why the main page here keeps switching between half and step. Its very confusing cause I would very much like clarification on whether its pseudo-incest or actual incest he's engaging in.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:34:31 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25922: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:34:56 AM

So IS Teresa really is sister or did that get retconned?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25923: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:36:49 AM

[up] They ended it on a "does it matter?" note, Teresa is happy enough thinking she's Peter's sister and chooses that belief instead of the truth. It's up to the next writer if they want to use the truth for later.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:37:39 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25924: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:41:11 AM

[up][up] Oh fuck I thought you were talking about Savage Dragon for a sec there [lol]

Well if anyone's curious he has 4 kids, 2 from his wife, one from his step-sister, and the other from a prior girlfriend tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:43:22 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25925: Feb 22nd 2023 at 6:56:11 AM

I think it actually does matter with Teresa because she only came to see Peter when she wanted him to spider man for her spy missions

If they’d had more interaction where it wasn’t about exploiting a sibling bond to get a superhero on call, I’d be more invested in the idea that they’re siblings no matter what a DNA test says

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