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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25851: Feb 14th 2023 at 5:29:46 AM

[up] I read a report that Aaron is actually going to have Mephisto Break the fourth wall during the big Avengers finale, so he might address OMD

Edited by Zarius on Feb 14th 2023 at 5:30:03 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25852: Feb 14th 2023 at 5:42:16 AM

Where Mephisto will laugh at the readers who still think there's hope of the marriage coming back and that he'll always get away with all the evil shit he does.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
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#25853: Feb 14th 2023 at 7:54:25 AM

Extreme Venomverse update

So - Extreme Venomverse leads into Death of the Venomverse and both are part of Summer of Symbiotes?

That sounds a little like event overload.

Although 1602 Venom sounds like an idea with potential.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#25854: Feb 14th 2023 at 8:45:17 AM

It's largely interpreted from the way Romita Jr draws him, making him look a bit sus, plus that flashback they have of him punching Peter out in front of MJ. And there was that indication he was very controlling of MJ during the hellfire gala issues.

If you read the new script guide to Spider-Man that came out, Wells apparently wanted people to like Paul, rofl

Maybe Romita Jr is rebelling and giving us hints that are going over Wells and the editors' heads?

[up][up][up], [up][up]: That I can see happening. Unless the Spider-Man editors threaten to fire him for even hinting at it. Funny thing is I kinda had that idea myself, sort of. Only I would have used it in the event that the marriage gets brought back and Mephisto is having a panic attack over his greatest act of evil getting ripped away from him and he can't understand why. And then he looks at us. He realizes it's because of us. We did it. We took everything from him. We couldn't leave well enough alone. We had to keep mewling and whine so often, so incessantly, that it all just fell apart from sheer pressure. Through the panels, we leave him, but he barks at us to get back, while threatening that we can't escape him and he'll chase us to the ends of the earth, the universe, everywhere. Alas, we are real. And he is a piece of fiction. And fiction poses no more threat to us than, say, a small paper cut. And we leave him. Defeated. Broken.

Side note: Man, I really don't know why I'm fixated on ascending this meme for drama somehow.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 14th 2023 at 11:47:16 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25855: Feb 15th 2023 at 12:07:31 AM

ASM#26 will drop two days before Across the Spider-Verse with Peter B and Mayday, that is diabolically co-ordinated trolling, ain't no way that's a coincidence

RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#25856: Feb 15th 2023 at 12:55:19 AM

[up][up]Mmm, I don't know about that. As much as I prefer married Peter, I worry that reversing OMD would just seem like capitulation that would fuel further fan entitlement.

And I'm not sure that I agree with you all about OMD being the beginning of some creative plateau or stagnation. I have a lot of issues with the early BND era with the rotating writers, but I think Slott's run was pretty great until the relaunch that went straight into Spider-Verse. Horizon Labs, No One Dies, Spider Island, Ends of the Earth, some fun Hobgoblin stuff, and then Superior? I don't think "Doc Ock steals Spidey's body" can be considered a lazy, wheel-spinning story. Of course, the problem was that Slott kept writing ASM for another four years, during which time we got "what if Peter was Tony Stark and told the exact same lie about his alter ego being his bodyguard", and Peter dating Mockingbird even though she seemed not to like him that much. I didn't much care for Spider-Verse except for the fun of seeing Sp Ock interact with Peter. Go Down Swinging was kinda cool even if Slott had to throw in some baffling twist like "the Osborn boys' nanny is actually Harry's long-lost mom! She's not dead! Don't you care? Isn't this a twist?"

If Slott had stepped aside after Superior Spider-Man, I think we'd all regard his run as one of the best, but I think Superior generated so much buzz that Marvel was happy to keep him on the book and Slott wasn't going to pass up the chance to keep writing ASM.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25857: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:04:21 AM

Honestly the main problem here is the editors, they are way too fucking controlling.

At this point I don't think of this as Wells run, its just Nick Lowe telling him what to do and what to write.

Its not a good environment to write a character in.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25858: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:26:37 AM

I don't think "Doc Ock steals Spidey's body" can be considered a lazy, wheel-spinning story.

But it's not a story with lasting consequences as everything has been retconned out by now.

It fits firmly into the illusion of change, as do a lot of Slott's ideas, because they have these massive status quo changes that eventually just get reverted so Spidey can go back to the way he was before.

I got Slott's entire (I think) run from a comixology sale, and I don't think it's very good at all. If that's the best argument for the post-OMD era, holy fuck it's not a good one

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25859: Feb 15th 2023 at 2:17:31 AM

Superior was trash, I have no idea why that story is popular with the majority. Try-hard edgelord garbage that makes idiots out of every character for not seeing through Otto's deception and does a bigger hatchet job on MJ.

Slott is simply not a good long-term Spider-Man writer, he has the occasional burst of brilliance, but that's it.

Edited by Zarius on Feb 15th 2023 at 2:21:56 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25860: Feb 15th 2023 at 2:25:11 AM

I enjoyed Superior Volume 1 as a villain protagonist story.

But Volume 2 was unironically good. I felt for Otto’s development there.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 15th 2023 at 5:25:53 AM

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#25861: Feb 15th 2023 at 2:34:39 AM

So, a bunch of Marvel omnibus hardback editions have just been announced for late 23 and early 24 - including the collected Ben Reilly stories.

After Dark Web, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. I mean, aside from anything else, they haven't exactly boosted the market for Heroic Ben, have they?

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25862: Feb 15th 2023 at 2:39:55 AM

[up] Ben will be in Across The Spider-Verse as his heroic Scarlet Spider self, so the releases are probably to boost his inclusion in that

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25863: Feb 15th 2023 at 3:49:29 AM

Spider-Man#5

Peter is in a dimension where he never got bit. Cindy however still was and is active in this reality as Spider-Woman (but she corrects Jameson later that it's Silk), Peter is at his house when the Burgler attacks and he is shot and wounded saving May's life. Peter gets physical therapy and is able to use a crutch to get about. He still gets bullied at school, but Flash Thompson becomes good friends with him as he was impressed with Peter's heroics saving his Aunt. Liz and Peter also become a couple, with Liz occasionally displaying fits of jealousy at the suggestion Peter has a crush on Silk. Peter offers Cindy his services as her tech guy and she accepts. Peter wins a science fair and is recruited into Oscorp upon graduation. Years later, Peter is working at Oscorp and receives a mysterious message asking for help

Edited by Zarius on Feb 15th 2023 at 8:49:42 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25864: Feb 15th 2023 at 10:09:59 AM

The thing with OMD is that it established that staus quo is king. They made it clear that their intention was to erase the marriage and revert back to a 1970's status quo. They even brought back Harry Osborn...though they since retconned that. Nothing that's happened since OMD has mattered...if you dropped the book 16 years ago...and picked up an issue today...Peter would still be in the exact same place. OMD has led to the longest stagnation the character has ever experienced.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#25865: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:03:27 PM

I think I'm on anti-copium, but what if the big shocking whatever is that Peter just quits?

Like anybody remember how Peter in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon had a cure that could get rid of his spider powers? What if Main Comic Peter had one like that all along, he takes that cure, and he quits being Spider-Man and himself, literally just taking himself off the board altogether and he undergoes a new identity, like what happened to Batman in the Scott Snyder run?

"I seriously doubt it go that deep."

...Is what I want to say, but given how bleak this run has been, I'm really not so sure.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Feb 15th 2023 at 4:18:10 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25866: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:10:12 PM

Given the life Peter has...that would probably be best for him. Heck...he could just borrow from his brother Ben...and get a motorcycle and just travel. His life in NY sucks anyway...and has for a decade and a half. A fresh start might do him good. It certainly couldn't do him worse....

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25867: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:45:45 PM

That was what they tried to do in the 90's Clone Saga. it didn't work. XD

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#25868: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:47:49 PM

We get another series of Edge of Spider-Verse in May.

Looks like '"End of…" isn't exactly an ending.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25869: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:49:47 PM

Maybe it'll be continuing existing stories, like Princess Petra's.

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knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25870: Feb 15th 2023 at 1:59:15 PM

The Spiderverse concept is probably too popular to really end. Even movies use it now.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25871: Feb 15th 2023 at 2:57:08 PM

Credit at least it and the upcoming Venomverse at least are having more fun with the concept than the Milesverse and Gwenverse series

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25872: Feb 15th 2023 at 11:04:39 PM

Silk is also getting a new mini-series, exploring her own variants in the Spider-Verse.

And according to trades, Zeb Wells' big reveal to the "mystery" will be split into two volumes and is titled "Dead Language"

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25873: Feb 15th 2023 at 11:07:12 PM

What was the mystery again?

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25874: Feb 15th 2023 at 11:09:18 PM

I think it's why everyone hates Peter this time around.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25875: Feb 15th 2023 at 11:11:34 PM

I see every spider related character is getting Spider-Verse stories

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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