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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#25801: Feb 12th 2023 at 8:20:37 PM

The single loser staus quo is something that really can't be maintained indefinitely.

Counterpoint: Charlie Brown

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25802: Feb 12th 2023 at 8:49:04 PM

Charlie Brown is a kid though. Post OMD Peter is just written like one.[lol]

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 12th 2023 at 8:49:19 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25803: Feb 12th 2023 at 11:25:12 PM

Dad Soider-Man has a lot of good moments in Renew your vows.

Slott actually writes married Spider-Man with MJ and a kid better than he writes manchild Peter.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25804: Feb 12th 2023 at 11:40:17 PM

Which honestly surprised me. It certainly says something when one of the main writer's of BND writes a married Spider-Man better than a single one.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25805: Feb 13th 2023 at 12:06:51 AM

I mean sure Slott has his own flaws as a writer but he WAS one of the better writers during BND.

That's why he was able to take over full time as Spider-Man's head writer for about 10 years. Regardless of what you think of the man, and believe me, I have problems with his style he did take Spidey out of the BND slump.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25806: Feb 13th 2023 at 2:29:44 AM

Slott also wrote that 60th anniversary story where Peter and MJ were in their golden years together, although the running joke of the story was nobody could confirm they were husband and wife

I think that was written as a way of saying to readers "we can put these characters through all sorts of blenders, but in some far flung future it all works out and they live happily ever after"

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25807: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:08:21 AM

Slott has said on twitter that the editors are the thing keeping the characters apart

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was personally a fan of the pairing but couldn’t get permission to get them back together

It’s something Slott’s run has in common with Spencer’s. They both bring the characters almost right up to the line.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#25808: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:13:20 AM

Funny thing is, in pop culture Spider-Man IS in a relationship with MJ. Blame the 90s cartoon or the Raimi movies, but, that's what Spider-Man is in the mind of the general public.

Editors are just fighting a weird losing battle.

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#25809: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:27:18 AM

With Marvel's love of enforcing MCU synergy, I'm surprised they haven't gone back to championing the pairing just because it's the one in the Tom Holland films.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25810: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:28:52 AM

They synergize in other weird ways, like the Insomniac game getting a face-lift or the last Spider-Man cartoon taking place in a magnet school similar in concept to the films.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25811: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:33:19 AM

The synergy is always so weirdly half-assed. Blatant enough to be intrusive but seldom capturing what makes the copied material endearing

Like the Avengers Assemble “make it the movies!” cartoon. Which stubbornly refused to actually grow as the movies did.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25812: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:36:37 AM

I like how that show introduced Ant-Man in season 1 as a composite of Hank and Scott but after the film came out, they reintroduced the character to being identical to the film with Hank as an old guy and Hope there too

Right down to releasing an animated introduction short that copies the backyard shrunken training scene shot for shot

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25813: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:45:02 AM

I'm surprised they didn't make a version of Mary Jane Black to match with Not-Mary Jane in the Holland movies.

Hell, I remember some people legit thought Michelle was called Mary Jane.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 13th 2023 at 10:45:34 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
LucienRen Since: Jan, 2023
#25814: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:53:09 AM

I'm reviewing comics from the 60's, and I'm surprised to discover that initially Spider-man was considered one of the strongest heroes (Only surpassed by Thor, Hulk and the thing)

And you may wonder, did Peter become weaker?

Not really, heroes with super-strength started getting better feats, which included lifting thousands of tons or even mountains, so Peter being able to lift a small tank or something like that stopped being so special by the standards of heroes with super-strength.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25815: Feb 13th 2023 at 7:53:17 AM

I call her Mary Jane but it's more out of general apathy towards her actual name Michelle

It just doesn't really matter, she's MJ so she's Mary Jane regardless if that's technically not true tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 13th 2023 at 7:53:37 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#25816: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:09:54 AM

I'm pretty sure the only reason Electro came back from the dead was because he was in No Way Home, gut that's really all that movie did synergy wise.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25817: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:12:25 AM

Yeah, going by what happened with Fury I feel like they'd just introduce MJ's heretofore-unmentioned cousin Michelle Jones-Watson and pair her with Peter. [lol]

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#25818: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:12:52 AM

[up][up]Electro is one of Spidey's most iconic rogues, he was never going to stay dead forever even without a movie appearance.

[up]Or even something like with Nadia Pym where it's a new character that isn't quite Michelle Jones-Watson but is obviously meant to be her 616 counterpart.

Edited by lbssb on Feb 13th 2023 at 11:14:08 AM

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25819: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:15:40 AM

In other news, one month to go before we learn The Bad Thing Peter Did. What are we thinking?

  • Legitimately kinda bad, but underwhelming;
  • Complete misunderstanding; OR
  • Actually done by a villain but with Pete in the right place at the right time to get all the blame (hi, Speedball)?

Edited by HamburgerTime on Feb 13th 2023 at 10:17:00 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25820: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:16:00 AM

The synergy is always so weirdly half-assed. Blatant enough to be intrusive but seldom capturing what makes the copied material endearing

It really does feel like they always find how to make it the worst of both worlds like that.

But yeah, relevant to the current topic: I remember seeing the argument that OMD had to happen because aside from editorial, they had multiple writers who wouldn't touch married Spidey. And fair enough, that does seem like a huge problem to have. But uh... they break up Spidey and we get hit with a revolving door of creative teams to having one writer for ten years, with many writers seemingly (or explicitly) not wanting to touch the book now.

That uh... really doesn't seem like it fixed the problem.

The reality is, you can't turn back time. You can undo the stories in continuity, but they still exist, and people are aware of that. Quesada even referred to it as putting the genie back into the bottle, and I really don't get the mentality behind it.

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25821: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:17:55 AM

[up][up]I'll go with underwhelming.

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 13th 2023 at 8:18:17 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25822: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:19:45 AM

[up][up]Honestly given the quality of these "single Spidey" stories...would it really be so bad if these writers hadn't written the book?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25823: Feb 13th 2023 at 8:20:10 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] Interesting bit about Nadia, the character was originally planned to be for a Bumblebee book over at DC.

Only DC turned down the writers so they went to Marvel and pitched the idea to them. Which they liked it and thats how we got Nadia.

Also explains why despite being a sorta tie-in to the movie's Hope Pym, she is nothing like her.

[up][up][up] At this point you just have to be particular bout it. Like Mark Waid still doesn't like Lois being married to Superman but he still writes a lot of Superman stuff. So what does he do? He writes around it. He doesn't mention the marriage in his books, so he's still married and nothing's changed, its just not relevant to the stories he's writing.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 13th 2023 at 8:22:37 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25824: Feb 13th 2023 at 9:24:28 AM

[up] Waid's World's Finest stories are set in the past, long before Lois and Clark are married or have had a son.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#25825: Feb 13th 2023 at 9:28:48 AM

I remember reading interviews about how even in the 60's Spider-Man was bound to a status quo and going to college with a new circle of friends were kinda just replacements for his high school days.

The Protomen enhanced my life.

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