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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25776: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:37:43 PM

Reminder that the best way to show how fucked this direction is is to just not buy the issues

Keep in mind this run still sells well as any other Spidey run which is the issue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25777: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:39:40 PM

[up][up]I'm actually reminded of what someone said when BND first started..."why should we care who Peter dates...since we know it's never going to go anywhere".

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 12th 2023 at 6:40:10 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25778: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:41:22 PM

[up][up] And that's really the reason they'd even put out a run this terrible. They know the book will sale no matter what...so why change?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25779: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:41:51 PM

[up][up] Yeah exactly, that's why I'm turned off on this run despite hearing mixed opinions.

I'd rather have Peter in a stable relationship than do the will they won't they bit while Peter has another hot girlfriend when he's on the outs with MJ.

At least with Norman, there's actual character progression that may or may not stick but it has me hooked.

Like I brought this up before but I was an avid reader of Spider-Man comics as a kid but when BND became a thing, I just stopped caring about Spider-Man for a long while or at least 616 Peter.

Ultimate Peter was a source of comfort and refuge after Amazing turned to shit at the time. Ultimate Peter actually had compelling character stuff at the time and I just did not care for the BND era of Spidey.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 12th 2023 at 9:43:31 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25780: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:43:57 PM

[up][up][up] Hell Peter's dating Felicia but there's no reason to care since she's basically just his rebound after MJ

There's no point to care

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25781: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:44:58 PM

Yeah we know Felicia and Peter won't work out because Editorial doesn't want Peter to be in a committed relationship for too long since branding and shit.

So the illusion of change is just shattered.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25782: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:47:37 PM

I've basically stuck with pre-OMD trades and back issues. The only recent Spider-Man comic I've read...has been Lost Hunt. Which to me is the actual 616 Peter.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25783: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:49:36 PM

Spider-Man Renew Your Vows was one of the best Spidey stories in a long while and it does give fans a new continuity where Civil War and OMD never happened. So thanks Dan Slott.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25784: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:50:12 PM

There's just no stakes to anything in ASM since OMD. They flat out told us that Peter was going to be stuck in the same status quo forever...so what's the point? You could read an issue if ASM from 15 years ago...and be confident that absolutely nothing has changed. Peter will still be single and a total failure in all aspects of his life.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25785: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:51:54 PM

I liked the No One Dies era (early Slott) quite a bit, it must be said. It was only later than that that he started burning fan goodwill, by teasing people who didn't like Superior and Spider-Verse.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25786: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:52:42 PM

The funny thing is being status quo heavy isn't necessarily a bad thing, there's a funness to having nonstop adventures

The problems is the status quo it's stuck in socks and is just a bad look for everyone involved

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25787: Feb 12th 2023 at 6:57:59 PM

That's what the editorial doesn't seem to grasp. The single loser staus quo is something that really can't be maintained indefinitely. It's like the "will they won't they" in a TV show. After awhile...they either need to get together...or just agree to be friends or whatever. Dragging it out just gets boring...and makes everyone look foolish after a certain point. Peter never being able to be with anyone...never having a stable job...everyone hating him for whatever every run...it's just redundant.

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 12th 2023 at 7:00:37 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25788: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:09:23 PM

The X-Men got a huge shot in the arm once it became apparent that everyone - creatives and fans - were sick of them being constantly miserable. Surely the same could be done for Peter?

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25789: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:18:18 PM

It could be done for Peter...the problem is editorial. The erroneous thinking that created OMD still permeates the editorial offices. It would probably take massive backlash followed with dropping sales to make them change course. That's why everyone who hates this current run needs to vote with their wallets.

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 12th 2023 at 7:19:20 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25790: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:23:07 PM

That was recently confirmed by Slott, right, that the suits are coming down hard on keeping the status quo the same? Or did I dream that?

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25791: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:28:36 PM

It certainly sounds plausible. There's really no business/creative case to be made for the current status quo. It didn't increase sales...it's not interesting...and it's out of step with the much more popular games and movies. It's basically a really bad fanfic.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25792: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:29:50 PM

Yeah Slott did say that. I forgot where, but I still remember when that was hot news during Spencer's run.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25793: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:33:57 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of writers are just steering clear of the book. If you know you can't do anything but just repeat the same story beats...why bother? They could cancel ASM and just put out a reprint book of stories fom the 70's(the era they desperately wanted to recreate) at this point.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#25794: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:35:04 PM

I wonder what appeals so much to the execs about "loser" Peter. Asked as genuine curiosity, mind.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25795: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:36:34 PM

Dunno but it is known that Marvel Editorial fought hard against the bit in PS 4 Spider-Man where Aunt May dies.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25796: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:36:35 PM

Man a bad editor can really ruin shit.

I complained about this a bunch'a times so yawl know, but the current Black Panther editor Will Moss has been working on the title for the past 7 years and is the guy forwarding the current disastrous tenure with the character.

Though its an opposite case where instead of keeping Peter in this crappy status qup, its trying to push out Black Panther to replace him with other characters.

[up][up] The fact they apparently "live through" Peter like that says so much.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 12th 2023 at 7:37:15 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25797: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:39:33 PM

[up][up][up]I honestly have no idea. It could be a desire to (badly) recreate the staus quo they grew up on. Peter was a hard luck single hero...but the OMD era has taken it to the point of parody. Peter's bad luck had to do with his life as Spider-Man causing him problems in his civilian life. The OMD era...has made him truly cursed to the point that Al Bundy would be thankful not to be him.

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 12th 2023 at 7:40:17 AM

knightstorm Since: Feb, 2022
#25798: Feb 12th 2023 at 7:41:42 PM

[up][up][up]Why does that not surprise me? I bet they also fought to keep Peter and MJ apart...and are absolutely furious about them being together and having a kid in the Spiderverse movie.

Edited by knightstorm on Feb 12th 2023 at 7:51:16 AM

TheEvilDrBolty Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#25799: Feb 12th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of writers are just steering clear of the book. If you know you can't do anything but just repeat the same story beats...why bother?

I'm curious if that's happening now, because from what I can tell, it was the opposite early on. Mark Waid was one of the people who thought Spider-Man had "lost his way" by getting married, for example, and IIRC from Life of Reilly, Dan Jurgens also expressed that he wanted to be writing a swinging single Peter, not married Peter or single Ben Reilly. That's two big name writers who effectively refused to write a married Spider-Man, and I suspect they weren't alone since the early Brand New Day era had this revolving door of big name writers and classic Spider-Man writers (Roger Stern comes to mind, for example) who were working on the book all of a sudden - including Waid and Jurgens.

...but it's been so long since then that the pendulum may have swung the other way. There are assuredly writers now who have nostalgia for a married Spidey, or a sense that MJ is the one true love interest (influenced by either the Animated Series or the Maguire movies). A move that was made at least partly to attract big name writers may have only done so as long as the big name writers had their nostalgia in the 70's.

Edited by TheEvilDrBolty on Feb 12th 2023 at 11:15:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25800: Feb 12th 2023 at 8:18:48 PM

Amusingly Mark Waid is the same with Superman

He does not like him being married to Lois and still propositions them getting unmarried and Lois losing knowledge of Superman's secret identity

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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