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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25626: Jan 28th 2023 at 3:41:18 AM

Spectacular did have the symbiote controlling Peter defeat the Six by managing to trick them into blasting each other tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25627: Jan 29th 2023 at 2:04:34 AM

Nick Lowe commented on twitter than a fan critiquing the book had bragged to him in a letter that he had pirated ASM, Lowe said he knew where Spidey would stand on piracy, but one other twitter user then brought up a few panels from Dark Web where Spidey takes something without paying for it.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25628: Jan 29th 2023 at 2:06:46 AM

spidey would think piracy is based if he was written as a real human being

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25629: Jan 29th 2023 at 2:14:10 AM

Catching up on Dark Web and I gotta agree it’s just kinda nonsense all over

They went through the point of reverting Venom back to his more villainous character and they can’t even treat him seriously as a frightening monster, instead he’s more just a joke

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#25630: Jan 29th 2023 at 3:45:35 PM

Nick Lowe commented on twitter than a fan critiquing the book had bragged to him in a letter that he had pirated ASM, Lowe said he knew where Spidey would stand on piracy, but one other twitter user then brought up a few panels from Dark Web where Spidey takes something without paying for it.

Lowe after reading said tweet saying Peter took something in Dark Web:

At least, that's what I want to think.

In truth, he's probably kicking back in his home not giving a damn about what Twitter user #19,420,031,842 is saying about how the current ASM run is violating their childhood. And no matter how often they're threatening to eat a buffet of kittens in a YouTube livestream unless Peter and MJ's marriage comes back, Marvel Editorial isn't gonna bring back the Peter/MJ marriage because, as it stands, in spite of the internet's whining, ASM is still a best-seller because A, it's Spider-Man. Anything with his name is bound to print some form of money. And B, readers eat love triangles/will-they-won't-they junk like candy.

So even if you hate-buy it, you're still buying it with money and Marvel's only concern is whether ASM is making money.

The only two scenarios I can see that involves us getting the marriage back is if:

  • ASM not just loses money, but actually hemorrhages it. Like, it doesn't even land in the Top 25 of comics.
  • Or the Marvel Editoral goes through a mass shake-up and that new editorial team wants to bring back the marriage.

(For context, I bring this up because someone on Twitter brought up that Dan Slott stressed that the marriage never coming back is an editorial mandate. And it will take a miracle for a social media posting to provoke Marvel to change their minds.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jan 30th 2023 at 6:33:16 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25631: Jan 29th 2023 at 5:17:02 PM

And even when the Marriage was a thing, Marvel Editorial kept doing all sorts of wacky shit to get rid of it like Clone Saga 2, or that time MJ died in a plane crash.

She got better. Spoilers.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 29th 2023 at 8:17:30 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25632: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:21:38 PM

Hah.

They were only able to get rid of Gwen because of a lot of factors, the most notable being that no one really liked her as Peter's love interest.

Mary Jane, on the other hand, is 100% bullet proof, narrative wise.

She's just too popular.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25633: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:36 PM

Something the editors can't stand

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25634: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:26:31 PM

Marvel got a lot of angry letters about Gwen's death. But fandom wasn't as organized back then, for better and worse.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25635: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:30:02 PM

Yeah enough that Stan Lee pressured Gerry Conway to introduce a backdoor to bring her back which lead to OG Clone Saga.

But the prevailing sentiment was that she was better off dead and MJ was the better love interest. Which was why the Clone Saga progressed the way it did with Peter moving on from Gwen and accepting she's dead, while using his love for MJ as proof he's the real deal unlike the clones who couldn't move on.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 29th 2023 at 9:30:50 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25636: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:41:26 PM

And now Black Cat has usurped her in the only role she could have had: the third part of a potential Love Triangle.

Anyway, MJ is basically invincible. There won't be a perfect storm of circumstances that'll lead to her death the way it did with Gwen.

One Strip! One Strip!
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25637: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:45:58 PM

Marvel does something to kill MJ, either literally or character-wise

MJ: "I lived, bitch."

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25638: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:50:05 PM

Its hard to comprehend how utterly bizarre that despite MJ's popularity, the editors can't stand her

Its such a paradox, she represents a direction for Spider-Man they absolutely despise but they can't actually get rid of her because she's too well-liked

Man its so fucked

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25639: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:52:15 PM

Hah it is, isn't it.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25641: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:56:41 PM

[up][up][up] It's not hard to comprehend.

They want Spider-Man to be a 20s something who has all sorts of ladies he can date to sell to the core audiences that Marvel believes he should ALWAYS appeal to. Plus Spider-Man has a perceived image to Editorial and him being committed to MJ is not part of that.

But it's mostly MJ he has any real chemistry with, and MJ is the one with staying power. Marvel Editorial doesn't want a committed Spider-Man otherwise how else will he appeal to young people?

/s

Hell, there's a reason why they keep Miles as far away from Peter as possible. Since we already have a young single Spider-Man.

And don't forget the bit where Marvel Editorial actually fought Insomniac against killing off Aunt May in PS 4. One of the most poignant scenes in that game.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 29th 2023 at 9:57:38 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25642: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:58:08 PM

Its like over on Black Panther, you get the feeling that editor Will Moss would like nothing more than to replace the title character but he is too popular so they are stuck with him.

So it becomes a messed up game of chicken where the creators constantly toe the line as much as possible leaving the fandom in a perpetually pissed off state.

Its astonishing how much the editorial direction is in conflict with what the fanbase wants.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:59:07 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25643: Jan 29th 2023 at 6:58:52 PM

Oh well, at least they didn't make MJ into a supervillain. [lol]

Yet.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25644: Jan 29th 2023 at 7:20:47 PM

I mean that'll just make their romance even more poignant and tragic, which will cause the shippers to ship even harder.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25645: Jan 29th 2023 at 7:44:02 PM

Never stopped Batman

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25646: Jan 29th 2023 at 9:28:55 PM

[up]Or Spider-Man when it comes to Black Cat.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25647: Jan 29th 2023 at 10:43:10 PM

When I’m saying supervillain I mean the hardcore crimes like murder, destruction of property, terrorism and online piracy.

Black Cat is a thief.

Though I don’t think about her Queenpin days.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25648: Jan 29th 2023 at 11:14:08 PM

I don't think she even got into a lot of murder or property destruction as the Queenpin.

Despite it being played as a darker turn for the character, she wasn't much worse than usual.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25649: Jan 29th 2023 at 11:16:56 PM

Honestly with MJ I figured they'd be really petty about it and turn her into a hideous monster

Like to even deny any potential Black Cat/Catwoman appeal

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25650: Jan 29th 2023 at 11:19:16 PM

Having read New Mutants I’m actually convinced Mephisto actually wanted to date MJ.[lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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