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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25451: Jan 14th 2023 at 9:45:52 PM

But to be fair, when some writers try something new with the characters relationship-wise, some fans hate it as well.

Now, this may be because the new relationship is done poorly, or it may be that people don't want it. That's gonna vary.

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25452: Jan 14th 2023 at 10:23:44 PM

[up] Oh, the inability of sections of the fanbase to embrace new things is a huge problem. That is, I would argue, one of the core problems with groups like Comicsgate - they want comics to provoke the same feelings in them as when they were kids. They fail to realize the problem is that they are no longer kids. They latch onto "wokeness" as the problem, bitch about writers only getting hired because they're women or POC or queer. And bitch about characters only getting pushed for those same reasons. They think it must be something wrong with the comics, rather than the simple truth that they've gotten older, and their ability to just enjoy things has changed. Since they can't accept that, they instead turn to sexism, racism, and queerphobia.

Nostalgia is a downright dangerous emotion.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25453: Jan 15th 2023 at 12:43:43 AM

Well, the tone and feeling of the comics has unquestionably changed over time as well, so it's not *just* readers who have changed. But that doesn't seem to get talked about as much as more overt changes like new characters or large changes in status quo.

(Not to excuse Comicsgate at all, they're obviously just bigots)

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25454: Jan 15th 2023 at 1:40:45 AM

[up] True, there have been a lot of changes to superhero comics as a genre, by and large. Fewer pages, to start with. Writing for the Trade became the norm. Comics used to fluctuate between short and long story arcs, now most comics try for five-issue arcs, sometimes as part of longer stories broken up into chapters. Thought bubbles were replaced with thought boxes, which largely replaced third-person narrative captions that used to describe events. A wider variety of art styles developed, with some being more complex and detailed than anything from 40 or 30 or even 20 years ago. Writing also became more diverse (even at times when they lacked diverse writing line-ups), with a lot of different styles. The writing also became more adult in some ways, dealing with some very complicated themes, with more natural-sounding dialogue.

Truth be told, I think that, for the most part, modern comics do have better craft than most older comics. Because the modern creators learned from the ones that came before, and trying to move the genre forward. Peter David never could've written Immortal Hulk. Chris Claremont never could've written the Ms. Marvel: No Normal. Stan Lee certainly never could've written Secret Wars. I enjoy a lot of classic comics. There were some amazing stories back in the day, stories that still resonate. But I also think modern comics do some amazing things, and I think it's great that Marvel has finally realized there are amazing writers from different walks of life.

And I also think it's a shame just how often writers get caught up on re-doing stories they grew up on, and I think it'd be neat if more of them were willing to move characters forward, rather than always going back to wells that have already been visited.

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Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25455: Jan 15th 2023 at 1:42:54 AM

And I also think it's a shame just how often writers get caught up on re-doing stories they grew up on, and I think it'd be neat if more of them were willing to move characters forward, rather than always going back to wells that have already been visited.

As always, you have to wonder if it's the writers, or the editors who are doing that? Or if it's a symbiotic relationship?

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25456: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:13:01 AM

[up] Symbiotic, I would assume. Editors looking for writers who share their desire to tell stories that have been old before.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25457: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:18:37 AM

Should note this is mostly a Spider-Man issue

I've seen this pointed out a lot that Venom has underwent more character development than Peter has.

Like beyond the whole God thing, Eddie's matured as a person, recognizes the symbiote as its own individual and an equal companion, and discovered he has a son who he's currently trying to raise.

Venom is actually allowed to progress unlike Peter.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25458: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:19:35 AM

Speaking of the Lethal Protector, I've FINALLY got a copy of Donny Cates Venom.

Gonna read it when I have the time.

Maybe it's time I went from Spidey to Venom.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25459: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:38:22 AM

@Raven Wilder: No, the marriage lasted twenty years in 616, and was dissolved at the end of 2007, so it's been fifteen years, the post-OMD era has yet to eclipse those twenty years in terms of longevity.

If you count all the alternate universe books, newspaper strips, and recent side series set in the past like Lost Hunt, the marriage has remained active for about 35 years, so post-OMD has a lot of catching up to do before it will ever truly overtake it.

And yes, I know some people think none of these other stories 'count' so long as 616 Peter and MJ aren't married, but I'm simply not the age anymore to fuss over what is the 'end-all/be-all', 616 lost the right to be that for me with OMD, I think Spider-Girl's timeline is pretty much what ACTUALLY happened with Peter and there's no changing my mindevil grin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25460: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:39:55 AM

[up][up] Neat, hope ya enjoy it

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25461: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:43:06 AM

Finally going to learn who the fuck is Knull.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25462: Jan 15th 2023 at 2:45:59 AM

Well in Swedish Knull means fuck so your already halfway there tongue

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25463: Jan 15th 2023 at 3:51:50 AM

Speaking of relationships, I remember seeing a prompt elsewhere and it tickled my fancy. If you were going to assemble a team made up entirely of Peter's love interests for a short side series or one-shot, who would you pick?

MJ, Felicia and Betty.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25464: Jan 15th 2023 at 3:54:56 AM

Personally, I'd put in MJ, Black Cat, the Venom Symbiote, and Carnage Gwen Stacy from the Ultimate universe.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25465: Jan 15th 2023 at 9:39:54 AM

I somehow always forget that Venom is one of Peter’s exes

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#25466: Jan 15th 2023 at 10:07:03 AM

Don't worry, every now and then we get a reminder of it. And of the fact that the Symbiote kind of comes back to being hung up about it.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25467: Jan 15th 2023 at 10:10:39 AM

Does Peter have enough for a league of evil exes?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25468: Jan 15th 2023 at 10:51:44 AM

Not unless you pluck Felicia from her Queenpin era and clone her six times.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#25469: Jan 15th 2023 at 10:54:16 AM

Surprising that more of Peter's exes don't end up as villains, really.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25470: Jan 15th 2023 at 10:58:08 AM

It would be just like Peter to cause that to happen.

Liz would hate him because of the shit with Harry.

Deb Whitman would hate him due to accidentally driving her insane, and then unintentionally gaslighting her.

Felicia would still be in her Queenpin characterization.

Gwen would be the zombie who blame her for her dad (and her own) death.

I feel like we need one more person. Anyone got a suggestion?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25472: Jan 15th 2023 at 11:09:51 AM

Doesn’t Liz have a goblin identity because of Norman? Carlie Cooper too. Deb released a tell all book about dating Spider-Man so she attacks his reputation instead of physically. And MJ turns into Red Sonja, as sometimes happens to her

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25473: Jan 15th 2023 at 11:10:55 AM

[up][up]It did give him the absolute lowest rating for former hosts.

Like I believe there was a rating of 1 -5. Peter's the only one to get a 0, and only Eddie got 5/5.

Guess we can slap it on Zombie Gwen and get a two for one deal.[lol]

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jan 15th 2023 at 11:11:17 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25475: Jan 15th 2023 at 11:59:31 AM

No, but he did have a thing for her, and early in the comics history, she kinda competed with Betty (who was also supposed to be a teenager who'd dropped out, but got retconned into already being an adult) over him.

In fact, Betty and Liz were the first two of the cast to meet MJ. Her face was obscured from the readers, but they saw her and immediately thought:

Well, SHE'S hot, but you get the point.

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