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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25326: Dec 9th 2022 at 1:28:27 AM

I made a trope page for King's Ransom if anyone wants to contribute to it.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25327: Dec 13th 2022 at 9:34:02 AM

New Mayday issue today

A new Arcade (or "R.Cade the Third"), and Benjy makes references to him and Mayday lacking 'suits'...does that mean he's already active as a web warrior?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25329: Dec 13th 2022 at 9:31:02 PM

[up]

That movie is gonna kick all our asses. No doubt about it.

Also, just for the hell of it, I got curious about Peter's strength. Mainly how he's able to lift about 10 tons (and probably more under enough stress).

Well, I actually got curious about May-Day and how she's only half as strong (5 tons), so I checked out things that weigh 5 tons via this website with a list of things that weigh 5 tons.

Wow. Right off the bat, she's capable of lifting African and Asian Elephants, certain types of Ambulances (which means she can also lift certain cars around that size as well), smaller size Bulldozers and recreational vehicles.

That's actually a pretty wide variety of things.

And then I checked a link on that pageto things that weigh about 10 tons. That list includes tanks, semi-trucks, and even at least one type of plane, which is interesting since I recall Peter did manage to help a plane land using his strength.

This really reminds me that Peter scored on the Super Power Lottery front. And to think, May-Day is only half as strong and she's still a pretty heavy hitter.

Hey. Doesn't Annie have the same 5 ton limit as May? They were written by different people, so I'd assume that's not something that carried over.

One Strip! One Strip!
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#25330: Dec 14th 2022 at 11:59:25 AM

[up] Speaking of that

LITTLE MAY MY BELOVED! https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/8aeb6be0_9ffd_4e87_b7cb_1da473eb28c8.jpeg

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 16th 2022 at 2:00:36 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#25331: Dec 14th 2022 at 12:58:24 PM

Yeah. That's great.

Annie also appears in the trailer alongside MJ as Spinerette.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25332: Dec 14th 2022 at 12:59:08 PM

Like I said, very excited to see the Renew your Vows Spider-Family.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#25333: Dec 15th 2022 at 12:00:53 PM

Black Cat/Mary Jane#1 preview

Felicia heads to MJ's apartment to check in on her at Peter's request, we get a glimpse into her thoughts over how things have changed since she last met MJ during the Beyond saga, and how she didn't want to be involved with Peter, but now she is. She finds MJ's apartment has already been compromised by the rampaging demons, they threaten MJ's boyfriend Paul and her kids, but MJ stands defiantly against them, displaying her powers right in front of Paul and the Kids. Do they know already, or has MJ been forced to reveal her secret?

We then take a trip back in time, where Felicia successfully makes off with Doctor Doom's mask

Edited by Zarius on Dec 15th 2022 at 12:01:40 PM

megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#25334: Dec 16th 2022 at 6:10:14 PM

So we were just talking in the Spiderverse thread about Superior spiderman, and I was reminded of the utterly baffling and infuriating ending of volume 2.

Like seriously, I genuinely don’t get what they were trying to do with to that. Christos Gage is not a bad writer, and he proves that in the series itself, which makes the whole thing even more inexplicable.

The Mephisto thing is completely at odds with the rest of the book’s tone, but at the same time, I’m pretty sure it was always intended to be a 12 issue miniseries, and Mephisto even shows up for a cameo in the middle of it, which suggests that this was maybe always the plan?

And the other thing that really gets me about it, is that the idea of post-character development Otto having to try to be hero without Peter’s memories, isn’t a terrible idea in itself. I’d even argue that it’s even the next natural step for vol. 2 Otto in terms of character development. But the thing is, that needs to be a used as part of a concerted effort to advance and grow the character, not as a cheap snapback to status quo.

(Yes, I’m am still bitter about this however many years later.)

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 16th 2022 at 9:27:54 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#25335: Dec 16th 2022 at 9:08:47 PM

I'm just confused on how Otto going from a superhuman body to a regular middle aged man body made him better equipped for the situation. What did he gain from the deal?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#25337: Dec 16th 2022 at 9:46:19 PM

[up] He already has those as Superior Spiderman though.

The whole thing defies logic, and everything we know about Otto as a character.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 16th 2022 at 12:48:42 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25338: Dec 16th 2022 at 9:48:40 PM

Supposedly only being Doctor Octopus Ruthless could resolve the situation.

When I read the actual issue, I was not convinced of that.

Edited by Bocaj on Dec 16th 2022 at 12:49:05 PM

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megaeliz Since: Mar, 2017
#25339: Dec 16th 2022 at 9:49:10 PM

[up] That’s an incredibly weak justification, that Otto should have been smart enough to see through immediately. Like literally, all it took to fool Spider-Norman was a body double.

Christos Gage is not a bad writer, so what the heck gives? I’d really like to know.

Edited by megaeliz on Dec 16th 2022 at 12:56:27 PM

Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25340: Dec 16th 2022 at 10:06:13 PM

Given Spider-Man's history, it's probably editorial.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25341: Dec 16th 2022 at 10:24:28 PM

I assume that Classic Ock was demanded for Nick Spencer's Sinister War arc.

The comics are a year and a half apart but I don't think Ock does much between the two so it seems likely.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25342: Dec 16th 2022 at 11:06:50 PM

Yeah that's the most infuriating part, I'd accept Doc Ock turning bad guy again if they did something interesting and had a great arc of him as the Big Bad.

But it took 2 years for him to show up, he's a pawn of Kindred, and ends up helping Spider-Man.

And so far, he hasn't done much, something serving the Kingpin, and working with alternate versions of himself.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25343: Dec 16th 2022 at 11:08:05 PM

He also made Ben Reilly upset and contributed to the series of events that led to his brain melting.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25344: Dec 16th 2022 at 11:13:54 PM

Yay, I'm so glad we gained so much from Doc Ock turning evil again.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25345: Dec 16th 2022 at 11:21:24 PM

If the idea was to get Doc Ock back to his roots as one of Spider-Man's greatest foes!!! then the snapback didn't do that. Ock has been overshadowed by Kindred, Beyond, and Kingpin in the stuff he's been in after the snapback. If the idea was that the writers felt they could tell more stories with Classic Ock... well, they haven't yet really.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25346: Dec 16th 2022 at 11:27:38 PM

Yeah that's why I'm annoyed with the decision to revert Superior to Doc Ock.

Like I said, Superior Volume 2 actually got me invested in Superior Spider-Man's arc, and his supporting cast. Like sure it wasn't perfect but dang it, there was actual good development on Otto's side not the awful Karma Houdini stuff in Slott's run.

And of course, to add insult to injury, Mephisto was involved, and since he's Marvel Editorial's self-insert, he's never ever going to be defeated by the Spider-People, particularly Peter as that might lead to OMD getting undone.

No matter what Spencer's run tries to tease, Mephisto is never going to be defeated by Spider-Man despite the run turning him into the Big Bad of Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25347: Dec 16th 2022 at 11:51:31 PM

Marvel's refusal to Let Characters Experience Meaningful Change is honestly its biggest problem. Status quo will always reign supreme, there will always be a need, from creators and editorial, to set characters back to The Way They Were. Even those rare characters who have had mostly-permanent growth, like Venom, get stories going back to their old characterizations. From what I've gathered, the Dark Web story going on right now has Venom back to his "eat Spider-Man's brains" crap, right? And there's pretty regular minis set during his Lethal Protector days, so Marvel can try to have their cake and eat it. Laura Kinney may be Wolverine right now, but that's not stopping them from putting out an X-23 mini.

Nostalgia is a fucking disease.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#25348: Dec 17th 2022 at 12:19:41 AM

Ironically, the Lethal Protector mini is still Venom post " I hate Spider-Man because I blame him for my crappy journalism".

And honestly, all the stuff with Klyntar and Knull is super overwhelming for me RN.

Like I haven't followed Venom Eddie Brock since he became Anti-Venom and that was back in 2008.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nofix from Over there Since: Jan, 2015
#25349: Dec 17th 2022 at 12:20:37 AM

I think Peter Parker specifically lost his chance to move forward in the Clone Saga, since it was more or less peddling in exactly the kind of toxic nostalgia and inability to move forward that the original Clone Saga criticized. Poor Ben Reilly was probably never going to actually become Spider-Man full time, it would have only been a matter of time before Marvel brought Peter back, but killing him off, killing baby Mayday off, and giving the fans such a depressing and inconclusive ending after such a long and inconsistent storyline was probably the real moment that actual change died for Pete.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#25350: Dec 17th 2022 at 12:23:02 AM

[up][up] I mean just read the Donny Cates run, it is nowhere near as complicated as you are trying to make it out to be

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