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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25226: Nov 17th 2022 at 6:54:53 AM

He disguised himself as J Jonah Jameson once

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25227: Nov 17th 2022 at 6:55:43 AM

To trick the Crime Master and some shit.

TBH, I do love the idea that Jameson is pals with frigging Norman Osborn of all people.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25228: Nov 17th 2022 at 6:58:22 AM

They go to the same clubs I know and yell at the same waiters I assume

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25229: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:05:12 AM

Yeah Norman is a member of a club that Jameson owns.

It's a more traditional sort of Gentleman's club. Hell, Ditko actually planted Norman as a club member to better establish him as a character before revealing him to be the Green Goblin.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#25230: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:17:05 AM

The Gwen Stacy miniseries from this year revealed that after the issue of Untold tales where he disguised himself as Jameson to trick Crime Master, he went "nah, JK", and revealed his identity for real to him. It's a really funny moment.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25231: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:19:04 AM

Everytime we go back to Spidey's early days, there's always a retcon.

Silk being one of the worst example in recent memory. Thanks Slott.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 17th 2022 at 10:19:26 AM

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#25232: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:20:24 AM

And yet she’s a really fun character out of his hands womp womp

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25233: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:21:18 AM

TBF, Slott written Silk is a really really low bar.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#25234: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:45:07 AM

The problem with Silk was mostly the sex pheromones, her getting bitten isn't an issue, especially since they already revealed a separate guy ate the spider.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25235: Nov 17th 2022 at 7:47:50 AM

Yeah but King was a one-off villain.

Silk was promoted back in the day as Spider-Man's new love interest and partner in fighting crime, and her backstory just reeks of bad fanfiction.

Like she just HAPPENS to be bitten by the same spider and Ezekiel just HAPPENED to find her and only her to isolate from Morlun. Among more reasons.

Not helped that Slott had a habit of introducing new characters in Spidey's early days like Clash that got really jarring after a while.

Like I'm glad she's better handled under different writers and she has a cool costume, but she did give me the creeps back in the day.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 17th 2022 at 10:49:33 AM

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#25236: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:14:23 AM

[up][up]I loved the story about the guy who ate the spider. He saw Peter get bit and then jump fifty feet in the air and thought, "Well, if the spider's too dead to bite me, then I'm gonna eat the spider." Spider-Man's Tangled Web also had that great issue where Vulture, Alyosha Kraven, and Norman hang out in The Bar With No Name and talk shop. I also liked the one about the cabbie who knew Spidey's identity and was tempted to sell the info.

Edited by RedM on Nov 18th 2022 at 12:15:49 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25237: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:15:44 AM

Yeah I wish there were more baddies in that issue than just Kraven's kid, Vulture, and Norman.

Could have been a good ol Spidey version of "Almost got im."

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#25238: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:17:16 AM

The weirdest part about it is that it's Kraven Jr. I don't think of the Kravens as supervillains so much as people who just want to kill Spider-Man. He's written in a fun way in that issue, though.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#25239: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:23:31 AM

Back in the day, I looked up what Kraven Jr's deal was, and apparently he and the blond waitress in the same story had some hollywood antics that ended in misery.

Yikes.

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#25240: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:30:04 AM

What's even weirder is that Kraven Jr. was one of the characters who got used in Beyond, that miniseries from '04 where a bunch of characters got put on Battleworld or something and had to fight to the death. It's pretty mediocre overall and mostly just sets up big important things for Gravity that never went anywhere. The group was Spider-Man, Venom (Gargan), Hank Pym, Wasp, Medusa, Firebird, the Hood, Gravity, and... Kraven Jr. Why were people trying to make Kraven's son happen? What if Kraven... was a movie producer? So does it even matter that he's Kraven's kid?

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#25241: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:53:46 AM

[up][up] I've talked about that mini on here before. The main antagonists are a pair of guys who are very, very clearly meant to be Weinstein stand-ins, who end up raping Kraven, Jr.'s girlfriend as an attempted show of dominance over him. It's gross! But wait! It somehow gets worse!

To punish them, Kraven, Jr. literally emasculates them by cutting off their dicks. As a result, the two gross men then decide to wear dresses. Because, I guess, losing your dick automatically makes you a woman. Yeah, just some weird, random-ass transphobia thrown in right at the very end.

It wasn't a great mini, but it had its charms. It was mildly amusing as a commentary on Hollywood. And then we get rape and transphobia. Ruins the whole mini.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#25242: Nov 18th 2022 at 1:41:13 AM

[up] Wait, were they specifically based on Weinstein or just sleazy Hollywood execs in general?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25243: Nov 18th 2022 at 6:49:10 AM

I remember that period where they were trying to make Gravity happen

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RedM Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
#25244: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:38:55 PM

[up]Ah yes, in the grand Marvel tradition of trying to recapture the magic of Ditko Spider-Man. They tried Nova. They tried Speedball. They tried Darkhawk. Eventually they just went back to the well and found success with Ultimate Spider-Man (and Spider-Girl, to a much lesser extent.) And then they tried Nova again, and Ultimate Spider-Man again, and Ms. Marvel. Araña was in the mix for a while too. Gravity ended up being on the Young Allies iirc, otherwise known as "the team that Firestar was too good for".

If I remember right, the Gravity creative team went on to do a lot of Marvel Adventures Spider-Man.

Edited by RedM on Nov 18th 2022 at 12:40:48 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#25245: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:40:20 PM

Nova (Richard Rider) at least found his own niche as a cosmic hero.

Everyone else though ehhhhhh sadly.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 18th 2022 at 12:40:28 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25246: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:45:08 PM

Speedballl caused a horrible tragedy.

......which Peter has also recently caused....so retroactive success?

Also, we do have Kamala Khan for a successful new Spiderman.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25247: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:51:27 PM

Feels like her star has faded though. She doesn’t have an ongoing anymore and her flagship team has become event fodder

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25248: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:53:05 PM

Yes but at least her team got to tell their side of the event.

Recall how the newest New Warriors got silently cancelled before it even came out, due to the bad press, with COVID ultimately just being the excuse they used to do so.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25249: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:54:29 PM

Being covid cancelled instead of being in outlawed more than the bare minimum seems like a win honestly

My overall point though is that Kamala was the big new thing for a while but after the original creative team marvel has fumbled the ball hard and doesn’t seem to know what to do with her anymore

[down] edit was [nja]

Edited by Bocaj on Nov 18th 2022 at 3:55:42 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#25250: Nov 18th 2022 at 12:54:36 PM

[up][up][up] From what I got Ahmed's ongoing screwed her up and now she's in a bit of a lull that Marvel is unsure what to do with

Similar how they keep giving Gwen little variant minis instead of a new series

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 18th 2022 at 12:55:00 PM

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