Spider-Man General Discussion

New rogues for Spider-Man will debut in next week's ASM: The Thieves Guild of America, and a new character called Odessa Drake

Odds of them staying?

Not very high given how large Peter's rogues gallery is and rarely new villains catch on.

As I understand it, only Mr. Negative has managed to stick around of the newer villains, and that was back in around 2005/2006 wasn't it?

...is Negative still around? I only know about him due to his appearances in both Ultimate Spiderman and Spider-Man (PS4), but I assumed he's gained some traction.

He moved to Hong Kong a little while ago, but is set reappear in an upcoming Cloak and Dagger series.

Overdrive, Screwball and the new Beetle have also stuck around.

So, as I watched the third season of Daredevil, I think on how there's apparently been a bit of a Rogues Gallery overlap between Matt and Pete.

I'm wondering two things:

What Daredevil Villains has Spidey fought, and has Bullseye ever been one of them?

The Thieves Guild aren't really new villains, though — they are just new to Spider-Man. I believe Gambit used to be a member and then lead them for a while.

You mean ones that started as Daredevil villains and then fought Spider-Man? Because usually it's the other way around. I guess the Jester and Stilt-Man are probably it.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 20th 2018 at 7:06:20 AM

Peter Parker: Spider-Man #6 and "American Son" are the most significant Bullseye vs. Spider-Man stories that I can currently think of.

Yeah, I guess so. I figure there's got to be a few. Peter and Matt are probably the only heroes who more or less have joint custody of a few bad guys.

Well, quite a few heroes share bad guys with Peter, since his Rogues seem to be the ones most likely to branch out. Sandman with the FF. Fisk with DD. Rhino with Hulk, etc.

How Poindexter BULLSEYE fair?

Actually, How did Pete fair? While he's clobber Bullseye if he got close, even with his Spider-Sense, Bullseye's uncanny aim likely caught him off guard quite bit.

In the first story, he was sent by Fisk to take out Arthur Stacy and Senator Ward, but Spidey interrupted. He wasn't prepared for that, and ended up bailing (though not without detonating the explosives that he had planted on the rooftop where Ward and Stacy were) after putting up a half-hearted fight (despite that, Spidey notes that the nuts and bolts that Bullseye had started throwing at him hurt even through the web shield that he had spun).

The second one was a Dark Avengers story. Bullseye was the one who Norman left in charge of torturing◊ a captive Spidey, whose mask couldn't be removed because it was a special unstable molecules one given to him by the Fantastic Four. He eventually escaped and beat the crap out of Norman and Bullseye in a berserker rage after learning what Norman had in store for Harry. Norman got the upper hand eventually, but Pete was saved by Harry.

Looks like they also faced off "New Ways to Live".

Spider-Man got Bullseye to call himself a douche, so he absolutely won that encounter. Never mind any physical confrontation, that was the win, right there.

There were no hard feelings◊.

I do like that Bullseye appreciated the joke. Even at the time, he laughed and said it was funny. The man appreciates comedy. It's why he and Deadpool are such good frenemies, too.

Actually, the Deadpool/Bullseye arc during Dark Reign was the one good part of Way's Deadpool run. I love when Deadpool manages to avoid a rocket by rolling down the windows on the truck he's driving. And, of course, the arrow through Deadpool's head.

I like how Bullseye in that page even defends Spider-Man while all the other villains are raging on him.

For a demented serial killer the guy sure has a good sense of humor.

Also Bullseye admitted that the maneuver was awesome.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 21st 2018 at 2:18:45 AM

You know, I wonder when Spider-Man and Deadpool became friends. Or workplace acquaintances. Because Deadpool was mainly an X-Men character in the early '90s and I don't remember him having any crossovers with Spider-Man back then (I think Spidey was embroiled in his Clone Saga or something). And yet there's an entire Spider-Man/Deadpool book and I remember that they had been frenemies for quite a while now.

They had a showdown sometime in the mid 2000's post Brand New Day.

It turned into a Yo Momma competition and Deadpool was forced to drop it mere moments before he unleashed the ultimate Yo Momma joke on Spidey.

That might have been where it started. I think the solicits even pointed out that they were finally having a confrontation.

Is Spidey resistant to yo mama jokes as an orphan or more vulnerable to them?

He didn't seem that personally affronted by them, but he'll be damned if he lets himself be defeated on an insult showdown.

I remember that — it was written by Joe Kelly. I didn't realize that was their first interaction — I thought they had interactions before. But yeah, it was hilarious.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 21st 2018 at 8:57:23 AM

They ran into each other once or twice in Cable & Deadpool and there was that one part of Kelly's Deadpool run where Wade went back to a Silver Age Spidey story.

So, do you think Pete would take challenges over his quip skills?

When they were fighting Hand Ninjas, he and Hawkeye got into quipping fight because Pete didn't like that the latter tried to horn in on his thing.

Note that Clint was in his Ronin persona at the time.

I remember that. Heck, it's on the Crowning Moment of Funny page:

Ronin: It's a Ninja Tea Party.
Spider-Man: Okay, so it's not just me. This is too many ninjas, right?
Ronin: They must be outsourcing.
Spider-Man: They must have a great benefits package.
Ronin: Dental. Medical.
Spider-Man: Free throwing stars.
Ronin: You can never have enough throwing stars.
Spider-Man: Oh, no. No, no.
Ronin: What?
Spider-Man: I'm not going to have to compete with you in the "Mid-Battle Witty Zinger" department, am I?
Ronin: Oh, you are.

Bendis was always great with the quips.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 22nd 2018 at 12:16:13 PM

So if one wanted to get into modern Spidey where should i start? Is the new comic by Nick Spencer good?

Yes. And it depends on whether or not you want to read a lot of back issues or just start fresh. (And yes, the current Marvel relaunch is called "A Fresh Start.") Honestly, Spencer's run is as good as anyplace, although I love J. Michael Straczynski's run (aside from the horrible ending). "Brand New Day" is a mixed bag — I loved Mark Waid's issues, but that was pretty much it. If you want to try a good crossover, I recommend "Spider-Island." If you want a book that's great and new, I recommend reading Chip Zdarsky's run on Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man.