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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#38076: Jul 3rd 2025 at 10:04:34 AM

So Miles doesn't care about his own universe? Not having an existential crisis or anything?

Well the Marvel brand demands he doesn't.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#38077: Jul 3rd 2025 at 10:31:30 AM

The Ultimate Earth was doomed either way and most people he cared about made the jump, I guess.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#38078: Jul 3rd 2025 at 10:34:05 AM

Yeah. Him and his dad jumped. His mom, who was previously dead, jumped. So did Ganke and his (also previously dead) Uncle, and even the Bombshells.

I think everyone Miles was close to back in the old world made the jump with him.

One Strip! One Strip!
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#38079: Jul 3rd 2025 at 11:19:17 AM

Even discounting the real life reasons, it still kinda makes sense for Miles. Death of a whole universe is a lot to grasp, he's got all his loved ones with him, and he even got his mom and uncle back. I don’t blame Miles for not dwelling on just how much he lucked out.

#IceBearForPresident
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#38080: Jul 3rd 2025 at 1:41:10 PM

And he has Billie and Shift to help him cope, too. They weren't from the original universe.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#38081: Jul 3rd 2025 at 2:36:28 PM

Yeah miles has everyone he cares about. When given the chance he turned down makers offer

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#38082: Jul 3rd 2025 at 3:31:14 PM

I wonder how soon it'll be before Gwen misses her old home.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#38083: Jul 3rd 2025 at 8:01:20 PM

Back on the main series, it's interesting that no one is talking about the run after the shock of Itsy Bitsy, like I gave it a chance and bounced out.

At least with the Wells run we had Paul.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Digitalhero93 Since: Jun, 2017
#38084: Jul 3rd 2025 at 9:00:15 PM

So on that note, I read the latest issue that came out this week. Hellgate wants to parlay with Spider-Man, who he calls "Prince of Steelsilk. Spidey tells him to wait while he and Black Cat deals with some of Hobgoblin's mooks. Black Cat tells Spidey should deal with Hellgate first, and then Hellgate kills all the mooks. A fight starts where Spidey leads Hellgate away, noting his webs can't stop him. There are three jumps to the archeologist from the beginning of the run arriving to Manhattan, Jameson noticing the fight while reading newspapers at his home, and some guy with glowing lines all over his body and shield deciding to go to the battle spread through out the battle. Spidey eventually manages to freeze him with liquid nitrogen in Central Park. After a quiet scene Hellgate breaks free from the ice, and asks to see more , ending the issue.

Definitely a decent start to this arc. I'm wondering what the text font used for Hellgate is because I don't recognize it. A highlight from the issue would be Black Cat using on Hellgate, telling Spidey to run. I don't remember if it was brought up yet, but a new Black Cat series is spinning out of this run.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38085: Jul 4th 2025 at 11:40:36 AM

Spider-Gwen's new comic introduces her own personal symbiote villain, Tantrum: "Tantrum is the embodiment of everything Gwen was trying to leave behind"

On that subject the retcon ending appears to have done away with Gwen's power loss and symbiote replacement so Gwenom is no more.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#38086: Jul 4th 2025 at 4:36:21 PM

Boo

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#38087: Jul 4th 2025 at 4:40:48 PM

Yeah, I noticed that from the pages posted earlier.

I'm surprised that status quo lasted as long as it did, and I'm not sure if I even liked it, but having it undone by cosmic cube nonsense is such a bad way to change that.

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#38088: Jul 4th 2025 at 6:14:50 PM

Why would she even get rid of the symbiote? If she has her powers back wouldn't it just augment them?

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#38089: Jul 4th 2025 at 6:32:04 PM

She seems to have factory reset herself when she inserted herself into 616. She is caught off guard by not having it and having spider-sense again.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#38090: Jul 4th 2025 at 6:54:02 PM

so did her symbiote just fucking die?

I'm pretty sure it's an artificial one, does it have no sentience?

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#38091: Jul 4th 2025 at 6:59:26 PM

I'm not the biggest Spider-Gwen fan to begin with, but Amazing Spider-Girl ran pretty long without interacting with 616, and made far less use of Alternate Self too. I don't get why Spider-Gwen can't just do the same thing. Super hero comic sales are getting slightly better as the 2020s chug along, so what gives?

If Spider-Gwen's just not popular enough to support her own book in her own setting, again, that's probably because so much of her setting is populated by doppelgangers. Maybe not, but I don't know, try something new? Pushing her into 616? It's not enough spider people, and maybe I'm not the best judge, but Spider-Gwen brings nothing to the setting in my eyes except an admittedly distinctive costume, but a costume I don't actually like all that much, especially when it's not a symbiote. Silk's got a stupider costume, but as far as I'm concerned she's a more interesting character. Gwen Stacy was never that interesting, and Spider-Gwen, being Gwen Stacy In Name Only, is most interesting in the context she got bit and Peter Parker died. Putting her in the same place as Peter Park, that kind of defeats the point for me. And there's the clone "Chasm", and the stronger clone Kaine, and the spider web spitting fairy, and the giant spider Goddess, and the Ultimate Spider successor Miles. And the ex girlfriend Venom. And Bailey the Spider-kick. Send Spider-Gwen back home, she aint needed. If her home isn't interesting enough, make it more interesting!

I still haven't forgiven Marvel for stripping everything that was distinctive about Arana away, but at least they were merciful enough to send the mess that was made of her character out of the 616 setting. Gwen would still be better off, with her own separate Amazing Spider-Girl type book

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#38092: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:09:11 PM

[up][up]it's probably the new symbiote villain in her upcoming run.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#38093: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:09:38 PM

So what happened to earth 65 then?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#38094: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:10:40 PM

It's still there just minus Gwen and her dad. It's like how original ultimate still existed. Except that world went to shit because the ultimates were gone hunting the maker

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#38095: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:12:12 PM

This comment from the CBR Spider-Gwen thread sums up perfectly how this plot direction is quite microcosm of everything wrong with the Spider-Office.

They’re at the point where they’re just trying to shove as many Spider-Man clones as possible into Earth-616 because it sells. They’re focused on pushing short-term comic book sales, even if it makes no sense.

We’re really witnessing the end of 616, and the collapse of the Spider-Man universe.They’re trying to squeeze every last drop out of it, make as much money as they can, and hope to keep their jobs for another couple of years.There’s no coherence left, no real editors anymore. Two or three Gwen Stacys, a dozen Spider-Men…

They just don’t care.

Once again, it’s what I was saying elsewhere: the problem is short-term capitalism.Sales probably aren’t meeting expectations, so they’re thinking about how the bosses and shareholders will react.Instead of building something solid, like developing one Gwen Stacy in her own universe with good writers and coherent storytelling,they go for the cheap and easy path, even though it has zero chance of working long-term.

Just hit the numbers, fast and low-cost.

Honestly, I thought that after all the editor layoffs, DC would be the one falling apart ; but lately, Marvel is outdoing everyone in pure nonsense. Apart from Ultimate Spider-Man, there’s nothing in the spider-universe that actually works or feels authentic anymore.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 4th 2025 at 7:12:19 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#38096: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:20:56 PM

I just know they'll try to shove Neo Ultimate Pete's kids into 616 eventually.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#38097: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:53:34 PM

Funny that you think they would ever let that happen that would age peter too much.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#38098: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:54:33 PM

Peter does have an evil clone daughter right now.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#38099: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:56:25 PM

They'll be clone kids that Harry created after having Mysterio trick Norman into thinking he slept with MJ

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#38100: Jul 4th 2025 at 7:58:56 PM

....Don't give Marvel ideas.

Ironically enough, bringing Miles into the main verse does make Peter look older. He's roughly 28 now right?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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