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Blackmoon Since: May, 2009
#226: Jun 8th 2011 at 9:54:33 PM

Hm. I do have a Prism sitting around here somewhere that I can swap in. Hadn't considered Shimmering Grotto, but I might have to give it some consideration. Don't like Forbidden Orchard much, just because this deck can't really cope with giving my opponents creatures.

I'm on the fence about Phylactery Lich in this deck, but he doesn't have any other home right now...

Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#227: Jun 8th 2011 at 9:57:55 PM

At least Angelheart Vial has cool art... I don't like Sun Droplet's quite as much.

Blackmoon Since: May, 2009
#228: Jun 8th 2011 at 10:03:04 PM

I always thought Sun Droplet was sort of a lame card, but I liked it anyway. I imagine it'd be really good if you combined it with, say, Palliation Accord, Paradox Haze, and Doubling Season.

Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#229: Jun 8th 2011 at 10:06:11 PM

Just getting off one Soul's Attendant means that any damage I take while I've got Darien out too will be completely mitigated. Anything else is just gravy. I might just stick with the Angelheart Vial, actually, since it lets you draw another card. I put the Vials in mostly for that and not the lifegain.

edited 8th Jun '11 10:06:27 PM by Zudak

Nyktos (srahc 84) eltit Since: Jan, 2001
(srahc 84) eltit
#230: Jun 8th 2011 at 10:06:55 PM

Sun Droplet is good in multiplayer, not so much in one-on-one.

I guess it is.
Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#231: Jun 8th 2011 at 10:08:26 PM

I wonder if there's any way to take advantage of the fact that Incite turns the creature it targets red for a turn...

Blackmoon Since: May, 2009
#232: Jun 8th 2011 at 10:10:19 PM

Yes, actually.

"Hey, look, I'm going to cast this spell every single turn. Oh, how about that, your 10/10 is going to charge directly into the one creature that it can't hurt. Oh dear, it seems you're out of blockers... guess it's time for my swarm to move in..."

edited 8th Jun '11 10:11:09 PM by Blackmoon

Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#233: Jun 8th 2011 at 10:13:06 PM

Oh cool. I guess I should put some of those in.

I'll take the Armorsmiths and Swordsmiths out for Firewalkers...

Maybe take out Into the Fray for the Scepters?

Ah, it won't work on Incite War, though... I should try to find more spells I can use this thing with. Just Incite alone isn't worth it, I don't think. But the Kor Firewalkers will be very useful.

edited 8th Jun '11 10:20:22 PM by Zudak

moberemk Dread Lord from Canada Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
Dread Lord
#234: Jun 9th 2011 at 6:15:13 AM

One land I can see being good in a Sunburst deck is probably Ancient Ziggurat. Sure you can't use it for noncreature spells, but it can still fill in some extra colors to get those +1/+1 counters.

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Zakdos Boiling blood from the ashes Since: Apr, 2010
Boiling blood
#235: Jun 9th 2011 at 9:28:58 AM

What about Vedalken Engineer? Okay, it's not a land, but it's made for Sunburst.

I ain't saying no showy crap like "later buddies" or something lame like that. I'll be back soon, you bozos!
Nyktos (srahc 84) eltit Since: Jan, 2001
(srahc 84) eltit
#236: Jun 9th 2011 at 11:52:31 AM

It isn't, really. It only adds two mana of any one colour.

I guess it is.
Zakdos Boiling blood from the ashes Since: Apr, 2010
Boiling blood
#237: Jun 9th 2011 at 11:54:28 AM

Oh, damn. Forget it, then.

I ain't saying no showy crap like "later buddies" or something lame like that. I'll be back soon, you bozos!
Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#238: Jun 9th 2011 at 12:04:40 PM

Latest build of the Darien deck. As you'll see, I've made some fairly extensive changes.

  • 4 Incite War
  • 4 Incite
  • 4 Darien, King of Kjeldor
  • 4 Rugged Prairie
  • 4 Sacred Foundry
  • 4 Battlefield Forge
  • 3 Plains
  • 3 Mountain
  • 3 Boros Swiftblade
  • 3 Boros Recruit
  • 3 Hearthfire Hobgoblin
  • 2 Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran
  • 4 Boros Garrison
  • 4 Auriok Champion
  • 4 Bloodshed Fever
  • 4 Kor Firewalker
  • 3 Crimson Wisps

The monowhite soldiers are all gone, they're red/white now. Lots of them and cheap, to give me a good defense until I can get Darien out. Agrus Kos is there to capitalize on this, although there's only two of him since he's not as important as Darien. The Soul's Attendants are now replaced by Auriok Champions, who cost WW instead of W but have protection from red, meaning they do double duty as healers and as blockers. I've also added Crimson Wisps to help me get the most out of my Firewalkers and Champions. The Angelheart Vials are gone to make room for more creatures, as is a little bit of land, since the only expensive things I have are Darien and Agrus, and even they're not too bad.

Blackmoon Since: May, 2009
#239: Jun 9th 2011 at 1:01:32 PM

I should also drop five cards from my final lineup for that deck; any suggestions?

Haven Planescape Hijack Since: Jan, 2001
Planescape Hijack
#240: Jun 9th 2011 at 1:06:04 PM

Glory of Warfare is a great card for this sort of deck.

Red has a lot of effects that do damage to each player—you might consider experimenting with those in conjunction with Darien. If you get something protecting your creatures (I recommend Lashknife Barrier, but there are plenty of other ways), you can use Pyrohemia to get yourself as many tokens as you have red mana. Earthquake would also be a good card if you go that route, effectively turning into a damage-dealing Martial Coup with Darien (a one-sided one if you use Concerted Effort, Samite Elder, Glory, etc.)

And if you dropped all your monowhite guys, Balefire Liege would be a huge boost. It'll pump up your weenies and make them into Lightning Helices too.

edited 9th Jun '11 1:07:46 PM by Haven

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Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#241: Jun 9th 2011 at 1:13:35 PM

there are too many... CHOICES and COBMOS...

Nyktos (srahc 84) eltit Since: Jan, 2001
(srahc 84) eltit
#242: Jun 9th 2011 at 1:15:14 PM

Make a singleton deck.

I guess it is.
Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#243: Jun 9th 2011 at 1:26:02 PM

...nah.

...Okay. I made a few more changes. Think I'm done for now.

edited 9th Jun '11 2:07:42 PM by Zudak

Yuanchosaan antic disposition from Australia Since: Jan, 2010
antic disposition
#244: Jun 9th 2011 at 7:52:27 PM

The deck I just played against Moonie.

Clockwork Orange

  • 4 Memnite
  • 4 Ichor Wellspring
  • 4 Esperzoa
  • 3 Tezzeret the Seeker
  • 2 Venser, the Sojourner
  • 3 Contagion Clasp
  • 3 Contagion Engine
  • 2 Mirrorworks
  • 3 Everflowing Chalice
  • 3 Tumble Magnet
  • 3 Surge Node
  • 3 Sludge Strider
  • 3 Darkslick Shores
  • 4 Glacial Fortress
  • 6 Plains
  • 5 Island
  • 4 Creeping Tar Pit
  • 1 Swamp

The most expensive part is the Creeping Tar Pit, and I'm thinking of taking them out. Possible win cons:

  • Hit them in the face with Esperzoa.
  • Bounce and replay cheap artifacts like Memnite repeatedly with Mirrorworks and Sludge Strider in play.
  • Use Tezzy's ultimate.

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is All Elite
#245: Jun 15th 2011 at 5:51:12 AM

My W/R Metalcraft deck has somehow metamorphosed into a Tempered Steel deck.


Creatures

4x Memnite
4x Ornithopter
4x Glint Hawk Idol
4x Porcelain Legionnaire
4x Vault Skirge
4x Signal Pest

Spells

4x Dispatch
4x Tempered Steel

Artifacts

1x Bonehoard
1x Chimeric Mass
3x Mox Opal

Lands

18x Plains
1x Contested War Zone


The problem here is that I want to make it an R/W Tempered Steel deck, but I don't know what to remove. Either way, here's the remodeled deck, with additions in red.

Creatures

4x Memnite
4x Ornithopter
4x Glint Hawk Idol
4x Porcelain Legionnaire
4x Vault Skirge
4x Signal Pest
1x Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer

Spells

4x Dispatch
4x Tempered Steel
4x Galvanic Blast

Artifacts

1x Bonehoard
1x Chimeric Mass

Lands

4x Mountain
15x Plains
1x Contested War Zone

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Fifthman Mad STEM Practitioner from Communist Pacifica Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Mad STEM Practitioner
#246: Jun 15th 2011 at 10:55:33 AM

Bonehoard and Chimeric Mass are way too expensive for the amount of land you're running, and splashing red for Jor Kadeen and Galvanic Blast is not worth the loss of consistency, especially if you're only running 4 mountains. Just stick to mono-White.

Steel Overseer is great for this deck. If you're looking for a way to protect your creatures Apostle's Blessing is amazing. Mox Opals and Glint Hawks are amazing as well, if you can afford the Mox Opals.

edited 15th Jun '11 10:56:24 AM by Fifthman

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#247: Jun 17th 2011 at 1:03:19 AM

OK. Here's how I dismembered the Devour for Power deck to throw support behind Damia instead. *

Given that I have never played a game of Commander before, this list will most likely suck (since about half of it is DFP with the mill torn out by the roots and replaced with discard, recursion, landseek and weirdness). I beseech thee, sages of TV Tropes, help me make it not suck.

Commander

Other Creatures

Noncreature Spells

Lands

Edit: - Myr Welder, + Barter in Blood.

edited 21st Jun '11 1:08:47 AM by CountDorku

Zudak Since: Dec, 1969
#248: Jun 27th 2011 at 9:04:22 AM

just realized that this post would probably be more suited to this thread so crosspost.

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#249: Jun 29th 2011 at 5:09:53 PM

OK, here's the current version of the Virtual Karrthus deck I've just spent two hours losing to Haven with. I do plan to gather the pieces in real life eventually (read: when I rob a bank; very few of these pieces are cheap), but for now it's online only. (I actually edited a few things while I was making this list.)

General

Artifacts

Creatures

Enchantments

Instants

Planeswalkers

Sorcery

Lands

Any suggestions?

Nyktos (srahc 84) eltit Since: Jan, 2001
(srahc 84) eltit
#250: Jun 29th 2011 at 5:23:04 PM

Needs moar dragons.

With the possible exception of something completely ridiculous, I'd make all my fatties either dragons or naturally hasty.

edited 29th Jun '11 5:24:34 PM by Nyktos

I guess it is.

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