[Official] Discussion of Subjective formatting on works pages

By moving the items to YMMV.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

Changed it to a box around the example. The color makes it stand out better in a scan.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

I think the box is a little too intrusive. Some YMMV tropes have to stay on the main page because they are in-universe examples, and unless there's a way to turn that off for a particular entry it's distracting how much it stands out.

EDIT: For example, the Persona 4 page - all YMMV tropes currently on the page are in-universe examples. The boxes are really obtrusive.

I think the little scale icons worked better, personally.

edited 31st Jan '11 5:18:20 AM by ccoa

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Look, could you please just put an option in our profiles allowing us to shut that off, so we can let the people who care take care of it?

Satan says you need more color!

I agree, the red outlines are kind of obnoxious — and I get that that's The Point™, but when I'm just casually browsing it can get very intrusive quickly, especially if the YMMV trope in question is done in universe ( as in this post. )

I'm seconding the plea for an option to turn it off in profiles for now, or at least switch back to the scale bullets.

I don't understand this whining. The boxes are much better than the icons. I don't find them obnoxious at all.

People aren't as awful as the internet makes them out to be.

^ Exactly. Unfortunately Serious Business, haters gonna hate etc. etc.

I find them very obtrusive. There's a difference between pointing out flaws in something and simply complaining for the sake of complaining.

The icons were easy to find but could be ignored in the case of an in-universe example. The boxes draw the eye very quickly at the expense of what is around them. Which is the point, obviously, but this becomes a problem when the example can't be moved to the YMMV or fixed by removing a pothole. The pages look unfinished in that form, like those wikipedia banners that declare the page may not be such and such, except worse because they're not just at the top where they can be scrolled past.

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If the magic words "in-universe example"  ^!!

are in the bullet, it will not be highlighted. Boxed bullets need to be moved to YMMV or to have that phrase (legitimately) added.

edited 31st Jan '11 5:37:45 AM by FastEddie

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty

Thank you. :)

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Got it "in-universe example" with hyphen. Gonna use that instead of "invoked".

Fight smart, not fair.

This is more of a question than a complaint: should the boxes (or icons, or whatever we finally go with) show up on trope pages? It can cause some interesting problems, like the list on Tearjerker. Or a YMMV trope may be mentioned to give more information to an example, such as the Heroes example on Alas, Poor Scrappy.

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Just browsing the site quickly before classes started, so didn't have much chance to absorb the change. However, I noticed that a troper, zienna, has been just deleting the orange boxes (I guess) without adding them to the YMMV page.

Hodor

If there is an objective wick before the subjective, it won't appear.

Ideally, on trope pages, the work's title would come first.

Now that I think about it, you can also trick the system for in-universe examples by putting a supersecretspoilered white letter potholed to an objective trope, right after the indent.

I've sent zienna a PM, though I don't know how much good that'll do.

I fixed a lot of her deletions that were of valid examples. Those that seemed to be using a YMMV trope gratuitously I fixed so that they are not longer boxed, but some of them did seem like legitimate uses.

More damning, zienna once missed the boxed area entirely and deleted a completely different example and twice removed a single bullet example and left double bullet indentations that belonged to it orphaned.

Editing without thinking about what you're doing is a bad idea.

edited 31st Jan '11 7:54:37 AM by ccoa

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Would it be possible to add another keyword disable the boxes, like Invoked? Because certain works (Like Quest For Glory 2) deliberately attempt to do a YMMV trope (Missed Moment of Awesome). The game fades to black when it happens, announcing an interlude. The problem is that "In-Universe" does not exactly coin it. The game invokes the trope... but does not do it within the story (it uses the fourth wall instead). So anyway, using "Deliberately Invoked" or something might be handy for legit examples

edited 31st Jan '11 8:03:59 AM by Ghilz

Seconded. For example Ef A Fairy Tale Of The Two has narrative themes discussing what is true art.

But even if the concept is invoked, doesn't exactly "have an in-universe example of" true art, at least I can't use this term in the entry.

Seconded. I tried to go and fix Zero Punctuation is few remaining YMMV tropes, that are discussed "in-universe". Quite frankly, it doesn't work. Well, works in sense that boxes disappear, but it jsut looks silly...

Also, take a look at Take That! bulletin. Single entry is marked with boxes, only because it lacks "in-universe" part. How are you going to edit that?

edited 31st Jan '11 10:54:34 AM by Mandemo

One way I got around a similar problem to the Take That! bullet you're mentioning was to add "In-Universe Example" in a super secret spoiler after everything else. It was an in-universe example of Ear Worm, but there wasn't a good way to edit the sentence to say that without being extremely awkward.

edited 31st Jan '11 8:52:33 AM by ccoa

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I have no clue what the **** super secret spoilers are

Just type [[supersecretspoiler:text to be spoiled]] on the page. It doesn't show up as "missing" text, like a regular spoiler. (Note, this won't work on the forums.)

See Persona 4. Under Call-Back / Continuity Nod, there's this bullet:

• There's also the Sunday morning shopping channel show - anyone who's played Persona 3 will hear the callback before they see it.

This song is called an ear worm within the games themselves, so it is an in-universe example. Now highlight what comes after this line (on that page, not here).

edited 31st Jan '11 8:55:55 AM by ccoa

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I like the hover text, but it's really out of place on trope pages, since those don't get YMMV tabs.

she her hers hOI!!! i'm tempe

In this case, just make "Persona 3" into a wick, if the YMMV comes after it, the mark disappears.

Do pages that are half Useful Notes half Setting half Trope get YMMV pages too? Like The American Civil War?

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