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Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#76: Jan 29th 2011 at 9:39:07 AM

It's not that awkward or even biased. It simply comes down to which fundamentals you subscribe to. For example, if you believe that supply-side economics is a bad way to look at the economy, the generally you're going to disagree with pretty much everything the Republicans do over the last 30 years. Likewise, if you think that supply-side economics is the BEST way to look at the economy, then you'll agree with them.

Strangely enough, my problems with this Sot U are much among the same lines, in that I view the Moderate/Centrist outlook on education and productivity to be the solutions to national economic woes as a form of supply-side economics and as such I generally disagree with it. Not that I think that supply-side economics is never the answer..if there was ever a shortage of investment available for R&D (meaning a shortage of investment overall, and not an allocation problem), or a real shortage of educated workers then I support supply-side policies. But these things, in my view, are so extremely rare, they're such a minute exception to the reality that our markets are driven largely by demand.

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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#77: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:13:05 AM

But there is a shortage of educated workers here.

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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#78: Jan 29th 2011 at 10:21:39 AM

I wouldn't say that, a good part of it is that companies that are trimming back personnel don't want college kids with no experience and a degree, they prefer to just not hire in lieu of hiring people with experience who are looking to get a better job.

breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#79: Jan 29th 2011 at 7:06:30 PM

Supply-side economics is more about giving money to corporations to fund their expansion, assuming they use the money to do that.

People more on the left scale, usually promote government spending, raised taxes or focus on long-term projects to improve the economy. The idea of putting money into education and research is to increase productivity level of workers so that they can outcompete others in the international marketplace, or developing new technologies which gives you an edge or it's generally considered "useful government spending". That is, the spending is an increase in demand, which is temporary and the long-term effect is an increase in productivity.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#80: Jan 30th 2011 at 6:40:56 AM

Companies aren't exactly strapped for cash at the moment.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#81: Jan 30th 2011 at 9:59:32 AM

Besides, naturally, the balance of power greatly favors hirers over employees. A person who is a business owner can, if things go totally belly-up, sell his/her business and capital investments and go down a notch to becoming a regular employee somewhere else. The employee, on the other hand, depends on that job for his/her own survival—and frequently, his/her family's.

rjung He's just some guy, you know? from Fifth and Main (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
He's just some guy, you know?
#82: Jan 31st 2011 at 1:10:32 PM

And any sort of government structure or program to help employees during such troubled times must be avoided at all costs, because they are evil fascist socialist commie schemes that are funded only by picking the pockets of the poor besieged employers at the top of the pyramid.

—R.J.

saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#83: Feb 2nd 2011 at 8:09:07 AM

@rjung: I don't want Mexicans or minorities getting jobs in our white society if that is what you're asking.

edited 2nd Feb '11 8:10:03 AM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#84: Feb 2nd 2011 at 8:33:02 AM

^ Which side of Poe's Law was this on?

Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#85: Feb 2nd 2011 at 8:34:00 AM

^^^

And what about small business owners who, themselves, aren't rich? I'd say lower upper class and upper middle class small business owners are the majority of individual employers, even if not for the highest number of jobs. They shouldn't get victimized because of the income of some swanky CEO's.

edited 2nd Feb '11 8:34:12 AM by Barkey

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#86: Feb 2nd 2011 at 8:36:54 AM

I just want the swanky CE Os to stop enjoying their tax-evading advantage conferred to them by the complex tax code and their ability to hire accountants.

While the rest of us who don't have household incomes of a quarter grand a year foot the bill for their shenanigans.

edited 2nd Feb '11 8:37:43 AM by GlennMagusHarvey

saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#87: Feb 2nd 2011 at 8:43:09 AM

I wasn't being serious if that is what you mean but I'm pretty tired of this kind of political BS which is what makes up most of politics.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#88: Feb 2nd 2011 at 9:27:10 AM

^^^ Which is why, if it were up to me and I had to increase taxes for some reason, I'd for sure do it via increasing capital gains taxes.

Actually, quite frankly, even if the income weren't needed (I'm generally not a fan of taxation for taxation's sake, of course), I'd still support increasing capital gains taxes. I'm all for giving real small-business owners a tax break and pay for it with investment-targeted taxes.

Why capital gains? My goal there is to redirect focus from stock valuation towards long-term buy and hold profit and stability. I think this policy would line up incentives in a much more healthier way for the economy at large.

edited 2nd Feb '11 9:27:26 AM by Karmakin

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#89: Feb 2nd 2011 at 9:31:38 AM

Why capital gains? My goal there is to redirect focus from stock valuation towards long-term buy and hold profit and stability. I think this policy would line up incentives in a much more healthier way for the economy at large.

I like your reasoning.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
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#90: Feb 2nd 2011 at 9:38:19 AM

Also, Hedge Fund Managers should have to pay taxes too.

Apparently, their income is counted as capital gains, not regular income, for some reason.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#91: Feb 2nd 2011 at 9:41:08 AM

^ Source? That's pretty compelling if true.

Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#92: Feb 2nd 2011 at 10:16:45 AM

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/pm120/

I have to say, in my dream economy, I would tie Capital Gains rates to private employment rates and use the additional funding for public hiring/other alternatives to maintain full employment.

edited 2nd Feb '11 10:17:14 AM by Karmakin

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rjung He's just some guy, you know? from Fifth and Main (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
He's just some guy, you know?
#93: Feb 2nd 2011 at 10:52:36 AM

I don't want Mexicans or minorities getting jobs in our white society if that is what you're asking.
So if you're not Caucasian, you're not a Real American(tm)?

—R.J.

breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#94: Feb 2nd 2011 at 10:53:21 AM

^ I think he forgot the sarcastic tag.

Ultrayellow Unchanging Avatar. Since: Dec, 2010
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#95: Feb 2nd 2011 at 11:07:20 AM

That was a joke, rj.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.
saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#96: Feb 2nd 2011 at 11:19:48 AM

As everyone said, this was a joke.

I forgot about Poe's law and that people, Hispanic, White, or otherwise, actually think like that.

Also I don't pothole when I'm being sarcastic since loudly announcing that you're being sarcastic makes it even less witty than it already is.

edited 2nd Feb '11 11:20:29 AM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#97: Feb 2nd 2011 at 11:28:05 AM

Who told you sarcasm was witty? You should stop listening to them because they're a lying liar who lies.

Fight smart, not fair.
jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA Since: Apr, 2009
Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#99: Feb 2nd 2011 at 12:42:22 PM

^Bookmarked.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#100: Feb 2nd 2011 at 1:34:33 PM

@Deboss: it is the lowest form of wit the point being is that announcing that you're being sarcastic takes away from what little wit it has.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

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