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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#1526: Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:34:16 PM

Don’t announce it so early.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1527: Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:39:46 PM

Dont release MM Os early that it requires taking half the staff from a a different games production and making its situation worse when the engine is already proving to be a nightmare.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1528: Jan 23rd 2020 at 1:53:27 PM

Don't use a garbage engine that you have to constantly fight against to make it do what you need to.

They seem to have learned that much at least.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1529: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:03:41 PM

Having a huge chunk of their staff taken away didn't help. Not surprisinf that even doing that for XIV didn't help and they went "Burn it all to the Ground with Bahamut!"

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:04:21 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#1530: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:04:18 PM

Get a competent director that knows what they want and how to get there, SE politics, leading a team, and knowing what to throw out as trash.

And if Yoshi-P is in charge of XVI then they have just that.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1531: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:05:17 PM

There was way more problems than just that. Versus XI Ii/XV really had everything stacked against it.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:07:46 AM

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1532: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:12:13 PM

[up]Yep. The whole PS 3/360/Wii era was just bad for SE in terms of consoles, way too many growing pains and mismanagement.

I think Yoshi-P probably is directing XVI since we have a few signs to suggest that. It wouldn't surprise me if they got the Shadowbringers writer to be the scenario writer for XVI too since her story is considered one of the best if not the best FF story ever.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#1533: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:13:47 PM

Do not underestimate the trash that was FFXIV 1.0. It was in way WAY worse shape than a game that only had some character designs completed an story ideas...

And yes and no. They managed to get a game that required an i7 to even run and was famous for melting computers in general... to run on a PS 3.

Edited by Memers on Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:17:56 AM

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1534: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:20:23 PM

Whatever happened to Toriyama and Watanabe of the XIII era?

I don't want them doing FFXVI, just curious.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1535: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:21:56 PM

Whatever happened to Toriyama and Watanabe of the XIII era?

I don't want them doing FFXVI, just curious.

AFAIK, they're both still at Square. I don't know what they're doing atm though.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#1536: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:23:03 PM

Toriyama is Co-director and scenario design on VIIIR

Watanabe is lead scenario writer on Mobius Final Fantasy, which is ending soon

Edited by Memers on Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:25:52 AM

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1537: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:28:32 PM

[up] Interesting. I guess that makes sense, he was part of the original VII staff.

i dunno, I have maintained for a few years now that there has never been a bad numbered mainline FF game. I only have FF 1 and 5 left to play, too.

God knows I can criticize FFVIII and FFXIII for days but it's more out of the squandered potential and not because they are just flat out bad games. There is plenty of good there and there could have been more basically.

I'm sure FFXVI will be okay at the very least.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:31:27 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#1538: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:35:10 PM

The only straight up bad FF game is III imo and even in the non-mobile spinoffs only Do C comes to mind there.

I like VIII, the translation issues are honestly the only thing I would fix with that.

And I like XIII, the 10 chapters of tutorials, translation issues, and map design are the only big issues with it imo.

FFXV is just frustrating to no end. The road trip mid game was great, the wasn’t Final Fantasy but it was great

Edited by Memers on Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:40:16 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#1539: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:35:45 PM

Rule of thumb seems to be that Toriyama works just fine when someone else is in charge to reign him in. Protection from Editors and all that jazz.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1540: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:38:57 PM

Hey, FFIII has the best magic system in the series and we need more of it!

And as I said, I don't hate FFVIII and FFXIII. I'm oddly having a strong temptation to replay FFXIII in the last...five minutes. lol I miss my Vanille, I guess.

But man, I have so many problems with that game. It very possibly has the most interesting world in the franchise but we see none of it so who fucking cares. That's what I meant about squandered potential.

Although I maintain FFXV deserves a sequel so much more than XIII ever did, even though I of course adore XIII-2 as one of the best FF games ever.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1541: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:56:23 PM

FFV is really good by the way. In terms of mainline series it's top 3 in terms of gameplay because of the job system.

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#1542: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:57:36 PM

Cribbing a lesson from VIIR: Management needs to actually communicate with the teams and be clear on who is responsible for what. Nomura didn't know that he was tapped for the Director's chair of VIIR until the whole world found out when his name popped up in the trailer. Apparently he had the impression at first that they were only just consulting with him or something, not putting him in charge.

Edited by TheAirman on Jan 23rd 2020 at 4:58:15 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#1543: Jan 23rd 2020 at 2:59:33 PM

I got the impression (possibly mistaken) that Nomura didn't even necessarily want that position. I think Square needs to ease up on giving him these big projects since he has his hands full with KH as it is.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#1544: Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:00:28 PM

III is fine before its endgame and paved the way for V and Bravely Default, and back in the 80s game design was always spotty.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#1545: Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:08:40 PM

Well XV needed a sequel because it is literally unfinished.

FFXIII was finished and as much as the translation issues tried to bungle it, it was a complete story. FFXIII-2 had to straight up retcon it.

XV needed another side to the story to really put home how stupid the whole thing is and how Noctis is just a knockoff Yuna at the end of the day. Like introduce Stella as a new MC during the World of Ruin and basically unravel everything. Make Luna an actual bad guy and the whole honey trap to get Noctis to create the World of Ruin. And basically try to prevent everything post time skip from ever happening and just call that the Bad End.

Well basically retcon it all and add some actual substance to the stupid.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1546: Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:10:53 PM

I have zero problem with the ending concept. Noctis is more Tidus than Yuna.

The only problem with the ending is that we didn't get to see more of the world of ruin. If we got to explore it and talk to our friends after ten years, that be awesome. Noctis can still die to fulfill his destiny. If the world of ruin was an open world? Best game ever potential.

We need more pro-destiny and pro-gods stories.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:12:11 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#1547: Jan 23rd 2020 at 3:25:44 PM

We got to see a lot of it in multiplayer and well... yeah.

And no, he was the Yuna. The majority of the game sets that up and the book sets up that even though he was trying to be the Tidus, Keikaku really still had him as Yuna.

They needed to run with that more.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#1548: Jan 23rd 2020 at 4:16:14 PM

No Yuna didn't actually follow though on killing herself for what 10 years of peace. She actually found a better solution for the long run. Noctis had no choice but to die as was deemed by the gods.

Just Makima.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#1549: Jan 23rd 2020 at 4:30:38 PM

Yeah it was mortals that refused to find a better way, whether they were alive or not in X.

The Gods decreed all is as Bahamut wills, which the Onens trailer even goes over a but as Noct's dad talks with Bahamut in the crystal about "one more".

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#1550: Jan 23rd 2020 at 4:35:43 PM

X does not even have gods at all. Even the aeons were originally mortals.

The funny thing is, Bahamut is also driving the plot in X.

Edited by M84 on Jan 23rd 2020 at 8:39:16 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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