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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#6476: Jun 6th 2011 at 10:09:00 AM

Why make things sound better than they are. I mean its obvious the rebels will lose *eyeroll*

MayuZane I made my own avatar from SPACE Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#6477: Jun 6th 2011 at 10:12:13 AM

I think Best Of already explained it somewhat in a previous post.

Unless the NTC's NLA (National Liberation Army) pull off some spectacular Curb-Stomp Battle or take Tripoli overnight, news media is just going to insist it's a stalemate because neither side has 'won' yet.

edited 6th Jun '11 10:12:32 AM by MayuZane

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#6478: Jun 6th 2011 at 10:27:06 AM

Oh yes, I know, but here, we have issues relating to time and everything, concerns to evaluate and all and a need to really evaluate and think "Hmm, could this end in two months or more or less?" but they don't and they will continue to poison the air of politics and yet they'll be amazed where they find that one day I've snapped and gone rampaging through fleet street with a pair of hedgeclippers.

The whole thing could possible still take less time than between the invasion of Normandy and Germany's surrender but it will have been a "stalemate" for the last half and I fear people may try stupid moves in order to make sure that everybody gets home before Christmas.

BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#6479: Jun 6th 2011 at 11:10:40 AM

[up]evil grin[awesome]

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#6480: Jun 6th 2011 at 11:30:53 AM

Whoa, the Internet is a Human Right?

So, about that Great Firewall of China...

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Pentadragon Since: Jan, 2001
#6481: Jun 6th 2011 at 12:25:20 PM

Disregard.

edited 6th Jun '11 12:26:14 PM by Pentadragon

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6482: Jun 6th 2011 at 2:14:51 PM

Gene Sharp cautions very strongly to be wary of negotiated solutions. This is from page 10: "The offer by a dictatorship of “peace” through negotiations with the democratic opposition is, of course, rather disingenuous. The violence could be ended immediately by the dictators themselves, if only they would stop waging war on their own people."

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#6483: Jun 6th 2011 at 3:43:52 PM

So, who was talking in this thread months ago about how Libya had no chance of succeeding without foreign boots on the ground, again?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#6484: Jun 6th 2011 at 4:04:00 PM

I'm going to roll this dice and *rattle & throw* oh its probably Major Tom!

BlackHumor Since: Jan, 2001
#6485: Jun 6th 2011 at 4:18:41 PM

Oi, wait 'till they actually win to taunt Tom.

AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#6486: Jun 6th 2011 at 4:34:09 PM

I was going to say "probably Major Tom", but I imagine he'd be somewhat offended if I guessed wrong.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#6487: Jun 6th 2011 at 4:59:23 PM

@Taoist: Technically there are foreign boots on the ground. Forget about the British advisers in Benghazi?

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#6488: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:01:03 PM

Are we talking advisers or "advisers"?

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#6489: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:07:03 PM

Advisors wear shoes not boots.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#6490: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:19:42 PM

Advisors are also handling training. The NTC might be able to keep a secret, but the entire Rebel Army? No. The advisors are doing their job description or, at most, coordinating airstrikes.

But to give credit where it is due, it was NATO air support that tipped the scales. Otherwise we'd be in another Syria.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6491: Jun 6th 2011 at 6:38:47 PM

The only way the rebel army is able to coordinate with airstrikes is if there are NATO air controllers on the ground, up front on the combat line, along with people embedded with the units that are moving forward behind the airstrike line. It's a surprisingly complicated process. The rebels didnt learn it in a few weeks.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#6492: Jun 6th 2011 at 6:43:22 PM

thats why I'm saying the advisors are doing that (as opposed to black ops or something)

SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#6493: Jun 6th 2011 at 7:10:39 PM

@Best of: I don't mind the nudge at all!

We've agreed to disagree on that issue: I acknowledge that he has valid reasons to think as he does, although I don't share his opinion.

Friendly jabs are part of a good debate! wink

edited 6th Jun '11 7:11:24 PM by SavageHeathen

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#6494: Jun 6th 2011 at 11:58:47 PM

It seems, Saleh is worse off than we all thought. He's got a collapsed lung, burns on 40% of his body, and the attack WASN'T a rocket attack as initially reported.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/06/07/yemen.unrest/

And this guy wants to still be president? Quit man...if not for decency than at least for your own health...or what's left of it.

MayuZane I made my own avatar from SPACE Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
I made my own avatar
#6495: Jun 7th 2011 at 1:47:13 AM

Reuters: (video) Deborah Lutterbeck reports the destruction of Yefren committed by Gaddafi’s forces. Footage shows graffiti left behind by Gaddafi's forces, part of which reads: "God is Muammar." Gaddafi's regime says they could retake Yefren in hours, but were holding back to prevent civilian casualties.

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JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#6496: Jun 7th 2011 at 1:53:38 AM

Yeah and Gaddafi also has a warhound titan under Tripoli that is going to totally beat your army but he just doesn't want to use it.

This guy is becoming like comical Ali.

Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#6497: Jun 7th 2011 at 4:08:12 AM

@FF Shinra: Who do you think the advisers are?

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#6498: Jun 7th 2011 at 6:12:36 AM

@Kino: Almost certainly special forces of some kind, although probably not the "Black Ops" kind

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Kino Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Californicating
#6499: Jun 7th 2011 at 6:37:14 AM

[up]Black operations are just a mission type, anyone can be used for them; the vast majority of people just happen to be So F or intelligence agents.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#6500: Jun 7th 2011 at 8:07:42 AM

Saleh should quit, but the situation in Yemen is still a mess.


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