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Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#3626: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:15:24 PM

^

Unfortunately we can't win without permission to chase them into Pakistan, which we won't be getting.

Ardiente I won't kill you. Since: Jan, 2011
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#3628: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:32:36 PM

Get who to submit? The Pakistanis? How many lives would that cost?

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
Ardiente I won't kill you. Since: Jan, 2011
I won't kill you.
#3629: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:37:38 PM

No, no, dude, I meant the Taliban. Get them to give up without having them move around. You already did it with the communists, so why not the incompetent cowardly Taliban?

"Sweets are good. Sweets are justice."
Barkey Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#3630: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:40:27 PM

-buries head in the sand-

Uggh. Wake me up when we're out of this bronze age piece of shit part of the world please.

Colonial1.1 Purveyor of Obscurity from The Marvelous River City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3631: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:41:49 PM

Enough of the frelling Taliban.

Some news on what's going on in North Africa would be very nice.

"He could not know it. For it was not all a joke."
Ardiente I won't kill you. Since: Jan, 2011
I won't kill you.
#3632: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:42:44 PM

You should try Tchad. Some friends of mine in college volounteered there.

It's astounding. They're so poor I think the dirt in my shoes is richer. They... The stories I heard of that place...

Fucking unbelievable...

Pray to the LORD you will never have to fight there.

edited 1st Apr '11 6:43:09 PM by Ardiente

"Sweets are good. Sweets are justice."
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#3633: Apr 1st 2011 at 6:44:22 PM

^^^^There are cracks appearing. The Taliban are suffering desertions for the first time and even from their own twisted perspective they are losing the moral high ground; their increasingly ruthless tactics are alienating true extremists and they rely more and more on mercenaries and unsavoury types for their manpower. Zeal for their cause is slowly collapsing; soon, the Taliban may well be rendered manageable. The Taliban are being demoralised, they are losing manpower simply by virtue of war exhaustion.

EDIT: Ok, sorry. Off topic. On the subject of the Libyans, I don't see how the Libyans can win it from here on the ground without active air support. Aren't they outnumbered 10-1?

edited 1st Apr '11 6:45:10 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#3634: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:07:54 PM

Yes, but how much of that "10" is busy keeping Tripoli under control? Also, how much of the G-man's forces are in Fezzan? In Sirte? Being used on the Misrata front? Being used on the Eastern Front?

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#3635: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:10:05 PM

Divide and Conquer is certainly the only way forward now, but so far Gaddafi seems to be doing that more to the rebels than they are doing to Gaddafi. And you can say all you want about undying yearning for freedom; kill and terrorise enough people and the rest give up. And as cities fall silent Gaddafi will be able to move more and more soldiers east.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
MayuZane I made my own avatar from SPACE Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#3636: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:15:14 PM

Saw a disgusting video of a Gaddafi supporter in Britain saying he was willing to send in bombs and turn himself into a suicide bomber for Gaddafi.

I just had to write a comment calling him a piece of horse shit for wanting to cause indiscriminate destruction, and express my shock at all the people calling the rebels 'traitors' . I don't care if I get harassed anymore, someone's gotta say something or else the vocal minority's going to start looking like a majority. A couple of people already wrote 'THIS IS PROOF THAT MILLIONS LOVE GADDAFI' and 'You white wannabe traitors you are worse than the unbelievers if you hang this man then we will kill you all'

It's My Country, Right or Wrong taken to the extreme, and it disgusts me.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3637: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:16:26 PM

Time is on the Libyan rebels side. The longer they last, the stronger they will become. At some points (months from now, I imagine) it will be their turn to go on the offensive. Because no one wants this to happen. So stop being so impatient.

Meanwhile, protests are still going on in Egypt.

edited 1st Apr '11 7:19:41 PM by DeMarquis

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#3638: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:16:31 PM

^^Thats what the cult of personality does to people. And De Marquis? I hope you're right. I'm not impatient so much as scared for the rebels.

edited 1st Apr '11 7:17:38 PM by GameChainsaw

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3639: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:20:30 PM

I think they're tougher than that: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/02/25/world/middleeast/map-of-how-the-protests-unfolded-in-libya.html

edited 1st Apr '11 7:21:02 PM by DeMarquis

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MayuZane I made my own avatar from SPACE Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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#3640: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:20:35 PM

I'm just more worried about international support for Gaddafi growing. So many people have no idea what he's done for the past 42 years and just ignore it all because they think Western countries are forever evil and any opposition against them is justified no matter what.

Btw, if anyone wants to see the video, here.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#3641: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:22:26 PM

Even if they're outnumbered, it's Gaddafi that's suffering from attrition in both the military and political sense. Give it another month.

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#3642: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:29:57 PM

Indeed Gman has been steadily bleeding supporters from the get go. I would not put it past his current goon squads to decide the flaming burning letters on the wall are bright enough and either capture him and turn him over in a plea deal sort of way. or to just ice him and say they have joined the rebels and hope for the best. Really going with the technical approach as was noted is a desperate attempt on his part. He probably has enough stashed fuel to hold Tripoli for a few days at best.

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#3643: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:31:10 PM

There is hope then, but its a question of whether Gaddafi dies from war exhaustion before the rebels die from enemy firepower.

Alright, maybe things aren't as bad as I thought.

edited 1st Apr '11 7:31:43 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
SavageHeathen Pro-Freedom Fanatic from Somewhere Since: Feb, 2011
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#3644: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:33:25 PM

Why don't we just post a kickass bounty for whoever brings Gaddafi's head, and wait for one of his mercs to take his chances?

Put a public hit on the guy, scare the Hell out of him. That would surely encourage him towards a Villain: Exit, Stage Left.

edited 1st Apr '11 7:33:40 PM by SavageHeathen

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#3645: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:33:48 PM

I'm waiting to see the result of the defected soldiers finally leading the front as of today.

OurGLORIOUSLeader Since: Dec, 1969
#3646: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:34:21 PM

Hopefully it's the first option, and considering we have sufficient power to make it so, I wouldn't count the rebels out yet.

Colonial1.1 Purveyor of Obscurity from The Marvelous River City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#3647: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:34:51 PM

Now how 'bout that there rallying horde, huh? Let's hear about that.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#3648: Apr 1st 2011 at 7:58:00 PM

I want to see everyone who supports the revolutionaries to call them "revolutionaries" and to refer to their opposition not as "Libya" but as "Gaddafibya".

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#3649: Apr 1st 2011 at 8:04:56 PM

Meh, I'll stick with calling the GSLPAJ entity in Libya the G-man's Forces. Means I can take my statements out of context and talk about Half Life. :P

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#3650: Apr 1st 2011 at 8:24:07 PM

Shinra: Why do you think I like referring to him as Gman. The Rebels makes them sound more like the Rebel Alliance from Starwars. Revolutionaries makes me think of the bloody French revolution.

I don't know about the rallying horde. I think they should be wary of defectors being part of a disturbingly clever Xanatos gambit from Gman.

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