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marheavenangel89 Captain Mimi from TEXAS!!!! Since: Mar, 2010
Captain Mimi
#126: Feb 16th 2011 at 5:09:04 PM

[up] Yes. So a boy that has childish and yes a bit-girlish.....BUT not too much that you think he's a girl. Because that's not quite on the androgynous...that would be...a different trope.

Which is why I think Goku would be better than the previous pink haired girly boy. (no offense to those who love that character, I just think the Keetness is a little too far-he looks more like a Genki Girl than he does a Keet Boy)

edited 16th Feb '11 5:09:16 PM by marheavenangel89

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#127: Feb 16th 2011 at 5:12:45 PM

I think the character can be a little older, but they need a little more androgyny to compensate. For an image, a younger example would probably be clearer.

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StongRadd Since: Feb, 2010
#128: Feb 16th 2011 at 9:09:54 PM

Keef very well fits this trope, why not have a picture of him?

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#129: Feb 16th 2011 at 9:16:54 PM

[up] He's not an example. He's not an Audience Surrogate for a female audience.

edited 16th Feb '11 9:17:02 PM by shimaspawn

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#130: Feb 16th 2011 at 9:23:27 PM

I dont know the work but the page seems to champion him.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#131: Feb 16th 2011 at 9:36:32 PM

I do know the work. Gir is a good example. Keef, not so much. He's more a Cheerful Child turned Creepy Child. Gir is the robot in a dog suit in my icon though. Not the best visual example.

This is Keef. Creepy Child with glowing red eyes.

edited 16th Feb '11 9:38:21 PM by shimaspawn

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marheavenangel89 Captain Mimi from TEXAS!!!! Since: Mar, 2010
Captain Mimi
#133: Feb 16th 2011 at 10:07:09 PM

Well believe it or not....Goku is (according to the manga) physically speaking suppose to resemble that of an 18 year old boy. (looks younger doesn't he?)

To top that off....he's a demon monkey-who was sealed away for like 500 years. And he was alive and conscious during all of that solitary time in a cage-chained up, with no food to eat or people to talk to....for 500 years.

edited 16th Feb '11 10:07:25 PM by marheavenangel89

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#135: Feb 17th 2011 at 8:27:22 AM

[up] Keef... who is not an example of this trope, since he's not an Audience Surrogate for the ladies.

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BigT grimAuxiliatrix Since: Jan, 2001
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#136: Feb 17th 2011 at 8:47:37 AM

You know, I was going to explain why the original pic was bad. But then I found out that the only reason it wasn't implemented was because people are scared of being banned.

It would be totally against the spirit of the wiki for Eddie to override consensus, so I'm sure he was acting as a poster. If he wanted to act by fiat, he could have erased and blocked the image.

It would be really, really bad form for Eddie to ban someone for following the rules. Eddie would never do that. He knows a wiki where even the good editors were banned would never work.

I'll address why the image doesn't work in another post. But you should not be scared to follow the rules. Eddie can always come in here and explain why it is a bad image like the rest of us have to do, and get it changed. Banning someone wouldn't accomplish that.

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BigT grimAuxiliatrix Since: Jan, 2001
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#137: Feb 17th 2011 at 8:58:31 AM

Okay, now back to the original topic:

Yes, a Keet is effeminate. But it doesn't work if the person is so effeminate that you cannot tell the person is a boy.

This is honestly a big problem with anime in general—there is often little distinction between girls and boys. Throw in that the trope requires femininity, and that it has to be an example fo the trope, and it's going to be really hard to find an anime example that works.

Scratch that. Read the examples on the page—quite a few of them are not feminine looking. If that's a requirement for a keet, then this needs to be taken to TRS.

I mean, Naruto is on that page. He's not effeminate at all. But he is very Genki. And very kid-like, so I'm sure a lot of women identify with him.

edited 17th Feb '11 9:14:07 AM by BigT

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#138: Feb 17th 2011 at 9:16:05 AM

I'm all for putting the original image back up, it's just that I wanted to ask the proper procedure for appealing to Fast Eddie about it.

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BigT grimAuxiliatrix Since: Jan, 2001
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#139: Feb 17th 2011 at 9:27:28 AM

[up]No problem with that. But, as my edit says, I do think the old image doesn't work for the trope as it is currently defined. It seems to just be Genki Boy.

edited 17th Feb '11 9:29:37 AM by BigT

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marheavenangel89 Captain Mimi from TEXAS!!!! Since: Mar, 2010
Captain Mimi
#141: Feb 17th 2011 at 8:20:21 PM

I'm sorry but I honestly don't like the original image.

It's too girly...and that says something-because I'm a girl that finds the boy too girly O_o

edited 17th Feb '11 8:20:53 PM by marheavenangel89

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StongRadd Since: Feb, 2010
#142: Feb 22nd 2011 at 9:04:28 PM

If Keef doesn't fit this trope, then why does the main page say it does? I'm confused...

P.S. If we do end up using Keef as the image, the caption should at least be "Not to be confused with this guy."

edited 22nd Feb '11 9:05:10 PM by StongRadd

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#143: Feb 22nd 2011 at 9:08:29 PM

Because someone who didn't understand the trope added him. We're working on trope clean up at the moment. There are a fair number of bad examples.

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marheavenangel89 Captain Mimi from TEXAS!!!! Since: Mar, 2010
Captain Mimi
#144: Feb 23rd 2011 at 8:54:19 AM

[up]Man so much cleanup is needed.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#145: Mar 6th 2011 at 12:46:34 PM

Bump, original is winning by a lot.

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#146: Mar 6th 2011 at 1:24:21 PM

This has been going on long enough. The original pic is back up and tagged, lock request on its way.

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