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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#151: Jan 24th 2011 at 6:59:54 PM

Yes, but one would presume those would be squicked by scat and necro too.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#152: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:00:07 PM

KCK: Exactly.

Raw: Probably, unless they were attracted to one of those things themselves, but they would still be in general squicked by most ideas that did not fit their idea of 'attractive' or 'sexy'

edited 24th Jan '11 7:01:01 PM by MrAHR

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KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
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#153: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:00:43 PM

@Drunk Girlfriend Perhaps because for many people having many partners is synonymous with cheating?

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snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#154: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:03:22 PM

^ Not if everyone's aware of the multiple partners.

I don't think fetishes are just about social pressure or whatever either. I think the attitudes we possess towards those fetishes are very dependent on society.

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#155: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:03:45 PM

@KCK: Yes, but I still think that it's irrational to assume that. smile

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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#156: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:03:51 PM

It's not cheating if the rules were laid out beforehand and accommodate this scenario.

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#157: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:04:06 PM

Oh, come off it, AHR. In this day and age BDSM is practically vanilla!

But OK, I see your point. I do think a distinction can be made between instinctive disgust (e.g. at necrophilia or paedophilia) and learned disgust (e.g. my distaste for pee fetishism, other people's disgust for homosexuality).

edited 24th Jan '11 7:04:35 PM by BobbyG

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#158: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:04:11 PM

Even with everyone being aware, some people (not me) would argue it's still a form of cheating, and there is no way you could love them all equally.

G: OK, but what's instinctive and what's learned? Pedophilia wasn't always squick, you know, historically speaking, or at the very least, ephebophilia.

edited 24th Jan '11 7:05:27 PM by MrAHR

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#159: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:05:36 PM

AHR: Do you have to love them all equally? Why does sex have to mean anything more than "You're good in bed"?

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#160: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:06:25 PM

Alright, that one's probably learned as well. What about Brother–Sister Incest, then? The Westermarck Effect is a pretty well-attested phenomenon, absent in only a small minority of people.

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#161: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:06:56 PM

Some would argue that, well, if you don't love them all the same (which would be impossible to do anyway), than you would just be playing favorites, and/or using them.

@G: The Westermark Effect is a bit dubious, from what I've gathered when reading the incest debates back when IJBM was up and about.

edited 24th Jan '11 7:08:12 PM by MrAHR

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#162: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:07:10 PM

I was merely stating a possible reason as to why it wouldn't be considered cheating. If everyone in the relationship agrees it's not cheating then it's not cheating to them. Personally, I couldn't care less what people do romantically. I wouldn't do it though.

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#163: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:07:51 PM

@Drunk Girlfriend and snailbait I am aware of that, thank you very much. I was only illustrating an idea that's popular with the ignorant masses, I don't believe such a thing myself.

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#164: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:08:45 PM

Neither do I, I am all for any type of poly-whatever if you so enjoy it.

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#165: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:09:32 PM

Poly power?

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#167: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:12:26 PM

Alright, forget incest fetishists as well then. That's not really the point.

If we restrict ourselves to your original examples: coprophilia, guro, necrophilia. All three of which I have a "FUCK NO!" reaction to, all three of which involve things that I would generally want to avoid even in a non-sexual context.

Now, maybe I am just extrapolating from my own views, but I've always assumed that those things are instinctively disgusting to people who don't fetishise them, because they are actually dangerous. That's my argument, and I don't think it can reasonably be applied to homosexuality.

Therefore, I would argue, disgust at homosexuality is merely a cultural bias.

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#168: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:13:24 PM

Well, if you want to relate, homosexuality = gay males = anal sex = shit.

I do know a couple that thinks that way. They also think it is impossible for the recipient to get any pleasure, and that if you enjoy anal sex you must be gay. Oh. And the father bought anal beads thinking they were stress balls, and didn't know what they really were until his son told him. [lol]

edited 24th Jan '11 7:16:06 PM by MrAHR

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#169: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:14:35 PM

@KCK: Wow, I'm really sorry if I sound like a condescending jerk in this thread because I'm not trying to be...At any rate, I don't think that idea is popular with the "ignorant masses" yet.

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FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#170: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:14:40 PM

I am a heterosexual Christian and have at least several friends (granted, most of them online) with gay or otherwise not heterosexual orientations.

For me it used to be fairly squicky, but now, on a purely personal level, it's kind of like if someone I liked liked a video game I hated. OK, so we have different tastes. So what?

Why did it squick me then and not now? I'm not even sure. Desensitization, perhaps. But why was I offended to begin with? Probably it's more cultural than anything else. Religion is also a factor - it's really the only hang up I have left, but I figure, I sin pretty much 24-7, so even if it is a sin, hanging out with gays is probably the least of my worries.

edited 24th Jan '11 7:15:18 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#171: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:15:48 PM

Not all gay sex is anal, hopefully they'd wash before and after, and at least the shit's not getting smeared anywhere it shouldn't be.

(The notion of analingus does disgust me.)

(This topic is starting to make me feel really uncomfortable. I hope I'm not offending anyone. >_>)

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#172: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:15:57 PM

@snailbait What, that polyamory is synonymous with cheating or...?

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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#173: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:16:32 PM

[up][up]Lavatives are involved.

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#174: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:17:03 PM

G: Well, when it comes down to it, some people think 'eww that's gross, oh well, as long as they're happy' and other people think 'eww that's gross, no one should be allowed to do it'

And it all comes down to where you fall.

I mean, I know if I had it my way, I'd pretty much outlaw toilet humor, so everyone has some second section tendencies.

edited 24th Jan '11 7:19:23 PM by MrAHR

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BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#175: Jan 24th 2011 at 7:18:43 PM

If my only objection is "eww, that's gross", then they're welcome to do it as much as they like, just don't expect me to watch.

I'm going to change this avatar for a bit, the irony is killing me.

edited 24th Jan '11 7:19:41 PM by BobbyG

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