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UnabashedFornicator Since: Oct, 2010
#26: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:37:06 PM

People with the pack mentality need scapegoats, and homosexuals are a relatively easy target. "Whatever failings I have in my behavior, at least I'm not one of them."

edited 24th Jan '11 3:38:54 PM by UnabashedFornicator

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:38:32 PM

That's why I hate pack mentality. It leads otherwise decent people to act horribly.

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#28: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:39:09 PM

^^^Hearsay I have to admit. I claim no expertise, go with other tropers who have actually studied the books and know their stuff. I'm just about the most unreliable person on the forum when it comes to religion.

In hindsight, starting off your OP with something you're shaky on at best is a bad idea.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:39:18 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
:V
#29: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:40:54 PM

No kidding.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
The Shadows Devour You.
#30: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:47:09 PM

Argh. My point was why it was a big enough issue to include in holy texts at all. But then again, if it is just a few lines here and there, did the ancients really see it as that big a deal? If not, why do we have such trouble grappling it today?

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
:V
#31: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:48:03 PM

Because not that many people bother to actually read or study them and resort to the time-honored tradition of saying that religion backs up their belief or that their lack of a belief in religion is superior or something.

Religion does have a history of conflict, not because of the religion itself, but because of abuse by people.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:48:41 PM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#32: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:48:36 PM

I adventure a guess: visceral disgust upon the operation. I don't know about you guys, but despite the all the deconditioning I went through, I still find stuff like Bara weirdly, strangely, but definitely repulsive. It's... icky... I don't know how to phrase it. Which is weird, because I happen to be a Yaoi Fanboy... and funnily enough most Yaoi Fanboys are straight according to the article... so... how does that work?

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#33: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:50:27 PM

To be honest, a decent amount of anti-homosexuality is merely using religion as a "justification" for their own bigotry. I still suspect that it arises from fear of the unknown and different. Some people can't see anything other than people like themselves as good, which also brings arrogance and narcissism into the equation.

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KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
Can I KCK it?
#34: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:52:14 PM

@Game Chainsaw Your ignorance on the subject is quite evident; Judiasm offers two verses at best, and the New Testament offers two as well. Not against a sexuality persay, but against sodomy which is not the same thing.

To answer your question, ancient people most likely had no concept of how sexuality worked so we ought to understand their perspective.

Why is it a problem today? Because, as snailbait, people fear what they do not understand. Additionally, because people would like to control what they understand as a way to alleviate their fears.

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#35: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:52:46 PM

The same way that straight females like yuri, but find works more accurately displaying lesbianism or made to appeal to lesbians disgusting? I really have no idea and throw it into the "unusual unsolved mysteries of the human psyche" category.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:53:48 PM by Aondeug

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#36: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:52:58 PM

[up][up][up][up] Uh, so Yaoi is less graphic? You'll have to clarify what the difference between Yaoi and Bara is. :P

edited 24th Jan '11 3:53:19 PM by occono

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saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#37: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:53:24 PM

Yaoi is less graphic?

The fuck is naraikia then. :V

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
Rottweiler Dog and Pony Show from Portland, Oregon Since: Dec, 2009
Dog and Pony Show
#38: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:54:15 PM

We only seem "hung up" because homosexuality is one of the most fashionable things for leftists to throw in our faces at this point.

If their cause celebre was still "property is theft", we'd seem hung up on defending that.

I mean, if I could change one thing about modern sexual mores, I'd ban divorce and leave homosexuality alone. It's not that big a deal.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#39: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:54:49 PM

Bara is manga written by gay men for other gay men to my knowledge... Yaoi is by and large made to appeal to a straight female audience though straight male oriented works do exist. I'm not sure if those fall into the yaoi category or what said works are exactly.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:55:32 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#40: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:55:52 PM

Yaranaika is Bara. This is yaoi:

Really, straight women find actual lesbian porn distateful?

We might be onto something here!

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#41: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:57:02 PM

I've come across a few that like the highly romanticized yuri made for males or straight women, but dislike the comics written to appeal to lesbians. Not sure if this is common enough for it to really mean anything significant, but I have come across it.

Things with butch women seem to attract this in my experience.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:57:50 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA Since: Apr, 2009
Also known as Katz
#42: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:57:48 PM

[up][up]Wanting equal rights is "throwing it in your face?"

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#43: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:58:11 PM

Argh. My point was why it was a big enough issue to include in holy texts at all. But then again, if it is just a few lines here and there, did the ancients really see it as that big a deal? If not, why do we have such trouble grappling it today?

Well, these were texts written in a time of little to no knowledge of medical treatment, where sexual excess was a vector for spreading disease that could fuck up your entire tribe — and anal sex is particularly susceptible to tearing tissue and leading to infection.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:59:09 PM by Pykrete

Rottweiler Dog and Pony Show from Portland, Oregon Since: Dec, 2009
Dog and Pony Show
#44: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:01:49 PM

@jeweled: Yes.

I'm thinking of all the straight people who bring it up. I can understand the motivation of people who actually experience lust for the same sex.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#45: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:01:54 PM

@Rott: so you are hating on gayness because the other side cares about it right now?? What's this, tribalism before actual issues?

Also, ban divorce? Are you insane?

[up][up]Good one.

edited 24th Jan '11 4:02:52 PM by RawPower

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snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
bitchy queen
#46: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:02:03 PM

leftists to throw in our faces at this point.

Perhaps this is a human issue and not some "left" or "right" argument that we're shoving in your face.

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Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy Since: Jan, 2001
DUMB
#47: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:02:37 PM

Also, ban divorce? Are you insane?

oh god not again

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Aondeug Oh My from Our Dreams Since: Jun, 2009
Oh My
#48: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:02:54 PM

Don't get him started on divorce...please...Please?

Actually I haven't emphasized this enough.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT START THIS SHIT AGAIN. I HATE IT MORE THAN ISLAM RELATED DISCUSSIONS WHICH I HATE MORE THAN ST. PAUL'S LETTERS.

edited 24th Jan '11 4:03:40 PM by Aondeug

If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan Chah
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#49: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:03:36 PM

Okay, that is offtopic, but damn, damn near everyone agrees divorce existing is freaking vital...

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Ahr river
#50: Jan 24th 2011 at 4:04:21 PM

I'm guessing it's because, like it or not, sex was made for the topic of reproducing. I mean, even kids who don't know what sex is know that it's how 'mommy and daddy make babies'

So, I guess when you're not used to the idea of recreational sex, it can, not compute, in a way.

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