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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#1: Jan 24th 2011 at 2:51:51 PM

Whoo, boy.

Homosexuality. Humans really get hung up about this issue, don't they? Entire religions have written books condemning this issue. Its taken decades of campaigning just to get homosexuality socially acceptable. But the Greeks were fine with it. (Though they had their own... wierd... stuff. Lets leave it there.)

So why the heck to humans get so hung up on this issue?

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#2: Jan 24th 2011 at 2:53:08 PM

Some people just don't accept homosexuality and the reasons for it vary in rationality.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#3: Jan 24th 2011 at 2:59:11 PM

Because people get hung up on sexuality in general.

"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -Drunkscriblerian
Cojuanco Since: Oct, 2009
#4: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:08:33 PM

Religion, mostly. Take that away and all you have is the ick-factor.

saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#5: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:12:31 PM

Religion isn't really the root of human intolerance.

I'm sure if I were to say that I were against homosexuality the responses towards my beliefs would not be kind.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#7: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:14:40 PM

^^I would first ask you why, what led you to that conclusion.

Failure to come up with a rational response would then give you a lambasting.

The question here isn't religion, its what made the first person pick up a pen and write those religious books in the first place. Thats what I want to know.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:14:48 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#8: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:18:26 PM

We probably will never know the true origin of religious books. Regardless of whether there's a divine origin to them or not, they were definitely written by human hands, and as such are likely to contain injection of contemporary viewpoints, such as "Homosexuality is evil".

I suspect that, like most bigotry, it arises out of fear. Hate is always the product of fear.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:19:11 PM by Anomalocaris20

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#9: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:21:58 PM

Yes we do know their origin. Some people believe that there is more to them then just books people wrote, but they are wrong.

I think you mean to say we will never agree on the origin of religious books.

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saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#10: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:22:29 PM

@anom: I disagree. I know of plenty of cases where hatred is based on history, ethnicity and the endless cycle of revenge. My Serbian friend has a long list of dead and raped family members that are the reason for her hatred of Bosnians/other groups. Fear might be part of it, but yeah.

@occo: I would respond to you but it would be a short reply and not very intelligent, honestly.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:23:08 PM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#11: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:24:25 PM

I'd say knowledge that people of that ethnicity caused atrocities to her own is fairly good grounds for fear, rational or not.

Problem there is humans splitting each other into groups in the first place.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:24:57 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#12: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:26:20 PM

I didn't mean to be rude anyway. But "know" is not the word I would use.

Dumbo
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#13: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:26:28 PM

[up][up][up]Most of the time, I've seen hate rise as the offspring of fear and disagreement.

[up]?

edited 24th Jan '11 3:26:59 PM by Anomalocaris20

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DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#14: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:27:16 PM

It's also possible that the anti-gay slant in the Old Testament came from the fact that it was written by a bunch of nomadic tribes. At the time it was written, there was probably some legitimate concern about homosexuality negatively impacting sustainable birth rates, and family legacy, both of which are important in pretty much any tribal culture ever.

It's just outdated and modern bigotry stems from general slant against sex as anything for recreation. Heck, the Bible expressly encourages, say, multiple wives, but many modern Christians find polygamy/ polyamory/ sex out of wedlock in general to be "sinful" and repulsive.

-Edited for word fail.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:28:52 PM by DrunkGirlfriend

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occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#15: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:27:56 PM

That was in response to Salad, Anom.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:28:04 PM by occono

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KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
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#16: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:28:23 PM

@OP Er...what religions have entire books discussing homosexuality?

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saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#17: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:28:33 PM

Whether or not Serbians committed atrocities is irrelevant since that sort of hatred is less about fear and more about being victimized and a history of that victimization going well into the crusades. At this point, there may be fear of atrocities but it doesn't cause fear so much as anger, raw, overpowering anger.

I know its not politically correct to say this but everything I have read and seen, and heard from my friend, this isn't something than outsider, such as America, can come in and tell both sides too stop, sadly enough.

Recent history has caused something of a repairing of ethnic relations between Serbia and Russia so that might be a plus, I don't know. but all hatred isn't from fear or a lack of understanding, as would be nice to think, but its more complicated to tie from any one reason or event.

@occo: Know is something where that view is expressed. This is something that can be studied.

@anom: Disagreement is a bit of a light term to use.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:29:42 PM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#18: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:30:40 PM

Wait, we're arguing over the definition of "know"?

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
saladofstones :V from Happy Place Since: Jan, 2011
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#19: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:31:11 PM

Occo said that know isn't a word he would use, but I guess so?

But yeah, lets not argue semantics.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#20: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:33:29 PM

@KCK: On hindsight, bad wording. Numerous chapters then.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:33:41 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
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#21: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:34:14 PM

@Game Chainsaw Again, what religions are you referring to?

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GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#22: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:35:25 PM

As far as I know, from what I've seen (ironically, mostly during debates on this very wiki) all three of the Abrahamic religions seem to have chapters condemning homosexuality. I can't vouch for other religions.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
BobbyG vigilantly taxonomish from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#23: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:35:57 PM

If we're talking about specifically holy texts, that's certainly not true of Christianity. "About three verses, plus maybe five or so ambiguous ones" would be more accurate.

A verse in the Bible, for reference, is commonly less than a sentence long, and seldom more than two sentences.

edited 24th Jan '11 3:36:40 PM by BobbyG

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snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#24: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:36:00 PM

Humans are scared of (or just don't like) what they don't understand. In many instances, groups of people that are not like the majority are not seen as equal; just a collective "other" for them to hate and fear. Prejudice is pretty similar across the board no matter who is getting victimized. How people express and experience that prejudice is a bit different. America's current scapegoats seem to be Muslims and gay people, unfortunately.

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KCK Can I KCK it? from In your closet Since: Jul, 2010
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#25: Jan 24th 2011 at 3:36:30 PM

@Game Chainsaw ...have you read these so-called chapters or are you just going on hearsay?

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