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SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#126: Feb 20th 2011 at 8:48:42 AM

Will you calm down? I'm not disagreeing with you (I already even said that this has an acceptable level of misuse). I'm just looking to keep the facts straight.

edited 20th Feb '11 8:49:40 AM by SeanMurrayI

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#127: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:03:35 PM

Oi! Wake up!

Either you lot come to a decision and thread lock within the next 24 hours, or I'm going to do the disambiguation shift myself.

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Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#128: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:04:41 PM

[up]Uh no.... I don't see a problem with this as is.

edited 13th Mar '11 8:05:20 PM by Raso

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:06:15 PM

[up][up] I don't think we came anywhere near a consensus to do that.

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#130: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:29:53 PM

I am well aware of that fact. That's why I issued the ultimatum. You lot have 23-and-a-half hours remaining to reach a consensus and act on it, or I will be doing the acting as I see fit.

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
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#131: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:31:02 PM

Things do NOT work that way.

I am very much against doing anything. There is no misuse, 7,614 Non Search engine inbounds which means people are linking to this trope across the Net, good amount of wicks, the term is in the Urban Dictionary as the trope is laid out. (with nothing competing with it.)

edited 13th Mar '11 8:46:57 PM by Raso

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:41:49 PM

[up][up] Hey, you wanna make a sandbox version to demonstrate what it would look like, feel free, but declaring yourself Grand High Ultimatum-Making Emperor of the Nosebleed seems like an iffy move.

[down] Case in point

edited 13th Mar '11 8:43:02 PM by troacctid

Ironeye Cutmaster-san from SoCal Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Cutmaster-san
#133: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:42:00 PM

[up][up][up]Go ahead. I could use some entertainment tomorrow night. *strokes banhammer suggestively*

edited 13th Mar '11 8:42:09 PM by Ironeye

I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#134: Mar 13th 2011 at 8:45:54 PM

Stands by with backup banhammer.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#135: Mar 13th 2011 at 9:05:38 PM

Arrives just behind the big guns but stands there any way.

peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#136: Mar 13th 2011 at 9:45:08 PM

... Naughty Nosebleed to gather up the arousal marking ones?

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#137: Mar 14th 2011 at 4:30:27 AM

I'll quote Eddie's guidelines again:

Goal: Clear, Concise, and Witty. Acceptable: Clear

This thread was started because the original poster thought that the article title failed the guidelines.

I'll sum up both sides of the argument and list the options to take which have been discussed so far:

On the keep side of things we have the fact that it's been around a long time, and has thus accumulated a lot of links, and that Anime fans use the word "nosebleed" on its own to refer to the trope.

On the change side of things we have the fact that the name is too concise to convey any useful information, it is such an ordinary term that it does not spark the reader's curiosity, it can be confused with how fans in other mediums use the word, and that it would be rejected as a name if it were run through YKTTW today.

Proposed changes:

Do nothing. In which case, lock this thread.

Rename the page. In which case, decide on a name to use (and there are already some good ones among the redirects).

Turn Nosebleed into a disambiguation page and put the trope on a page with a name which actually says something about the trope.

Back on page 4, I drafted a version of the disambiguation page:


You've reached one of our disambiguation pages. You're probably looking for one of the following articles:

  • Deadly Nosebleed: A nosebleed used to show that someone has internal injuries or is being hurt by something invisible.
  • Horny Nosebleed: An anime-specific visual shorthand for an aroused character.
  • Psychic Nosebleed: Used to indicate that a character in a situation with psychic abilities (theirs or someone else's) is under a lot of strain.

If possible, please fix the link which brought you here to point to one of the above pages (or get the site's administrator to do so if you can't fix it yourself).


I am personally in favour of the disambiguation approach as it won't result in external links going to "not found" pages, will draw attention to a couple of other tropes from said external links (and the internal ones while the wick changing is underway), and should, in theory, leave the fewest angry users.

Now, which option are we going to pick?

EDIT: Wow, some on-topic attention. And to think, all I had to do was threaten to do something ban-worthy. Maybe I should do it more often?

edited 14th Mar '11 4:47:29 AM by Roxor

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EternalSeptember Since: Sep, 2010
#138: Mar 14th 2011 at 5:39:38 AM

[up] You missed many point on the keep side, including that the trope also gathered hundreds of correctly used wicks, so it is working by all standards we have, and that any other name would decrease the name's clarity, by throwing a random adjective before the more recognized pre-existing term.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#139: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:10:43 AM

Also, the creation of the disambiguation page will create a lot of incorrect wikis. Actually, not really "incorrect", but 'meaningless', as the pothole will lead the reader to something different then what the original editor wanted. If all existent Nosebleed potholing lead to the disambiguation page, how is the reader going to know which trope the pothole is supposed to link?

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#140: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:18:12 AM

Is the potholing that rampant, though? If it is, I think we have a bigger problem on our hands which needs to be dealt with first.

[up][up] "Accumulated links" includes internal ones as well as external ones. Sorry about that, I should have been more specific about the terms I used.

edited 14th Mar '11 6:25:00 AM by Roxor

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#141: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:33:07 AM

I don't understand what you mean. We have 320 wikis and more then 7k external links. And, as far we know, there is no significant misuse in those. How is this a problem? This would only be a problem if we decided to create the disambiguation page. Which is why I am against such nonsensical "solution".

edited 14th Mar '11 6:33:55 AM by Heatth

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#142: Mar 14th 2011 at 6:37:27 AM

Roxor, please read Everything You Wanted To Know About Changing Names. Especially this part under reasons not to rename:

There is no consensus. Consensus does not mean a simple majority. What does constitute consensus is hard to pin down, but a unilateral action is easy to spot.

If there's no consensus, no action can be taken. There have been at least as many people opposing a rename as advocating it. We don't need a crowner to see that this has failed. It should really be locked and let lie.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#143: Mar 14th 2011 at 7:18:53 PM

After a night's sleep and reading your post, ccoa, I've decided not to go through with my threat. Being threatened by Eddie also contributed a little, but I think your polite post contributed more.

On topic, can we please decide on some form of action to take? At this point, I don't really care what gets done, as long as something happens.

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#144: Mar 14th 2011 at 7:28:44 PM

Why you want something to be done, anyway? As far I can see, there is no real issue, as the name is working. Any action is likely to cause more harm then good.

SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
Together Forever...
#145: Mar 14th 2011 at 7:59:30 PM

[up][up]

Translation: I'm not going to take unilateral action to change something that doesn't need to be changed, but I'm going to sit here and complain until someone else does.

It isn't broken. So its not going to get fixed.

Roxor Only Sane Fox from Land Down Under Since: Jan, 2001
Only Sane Fox
#146: Mar 15th 2011 at 5:44:34 AM

I'll take nuking this thread as something being done.

Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#147: Mar 15th 2011 at 7:46:19 AM

TRS threads don't get nuked except in extreme circumstances.

EternalSeptember Since: Sep, 2010
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