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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#51: Jan 28th 2011 at 9:50:08 AM

I'd wait to see the people who voted for the Mr. Hyde one over the Joker one explain their reasons for their preference, seeing as how they didn't address my point about it. I think we should discuss it a bit more thoroughly before going with the one which currently just so happens to be more popular.

edited 28th Jan '11 9:51:53 AM by neoYTPism

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#52: Jan 28th 2011 at 9:54:22 AM

...Because they prefer that one more? And because he's holding a knife?

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#53: Jan 28th 2011 at 9:58:33 AM

For me it's for one main reason:

  • because I'm tired of the Joker being (what feels like) the default page image for anything even vaguely related. I know, Batman is really popular with the troper-contributor demographic, and the Joker is probably even more popular, but it feels like very often, as soon as a Joker image is suggested, all the others go out the window. There are 20 suggested images on this crowner. 9 of them are versions of the Joker.

edited 28th Jan '11 9:59:45 AM by Madrugada

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#54: Jan 28th 2011 at 10:17:39 AM

"because I'm tired of the Joker being (what feels like) the default page image for anything even vaguely related." - Madrugada

But that's not a reason why the Joker image is unfitting to this in and of itself; it's a reason to remove Joker from OTHER page images that he might be unfitting to.

You seem to interpret this as being about Fan Myopia, but I'm not even much of a fan of the Batman series apart from the Christopher Nolan movies; I just happen to think the most popular of the Joker pics is more clearly an example of the Slasher Smile than the Mr. Hyde pic, which as I pointed out earlier just looks like a more generic (if not somewhat cheerful) grin.

"but it feels like very often, as soon as a Joker image is suggested, all the others go out the window." - Madrugada

But that isn't what's happening in this crowner, as suggested by Mr. Hyde being in the lead.

"There are 20 suggested images on this crowner. 9 of them are versions of the Joker." - Madrugada

Maybe we could remove all but the one or two most popular of those?

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#55: Jan 28th 2011 at 10:24:11 AM

Also, Joker isn't a clear example. He's Glasgow Grin just as often as this. Cannon tends to make him that, even though in practice it Depending on the Artist. As such he's a bad example of the distinction between the two. Mr. Hyde is clearly this trope and not any other trope.

Also, I'm pretty sure the highest Joker picture is up on another page already, so we can't use it.

edited 28th Jan '11 10:25:59 AM by shimaspawn

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#56: Jan 28th 2011 at 10:39:18 AM

[up]I just like because it's a RL version rather than a comic, which makes it less stylized and gets to the core of the trope better. There's also the fact that the knife makes the "slasher" part clear; without it it's easy to interpret the trope as "Uncanny Valley Smile". This emphasizes the "dangerous psycho" aspect more.

That and I just think it looks better.

@ neo YT Pism: I don't really see any "generic grin" in that image; I just see a psychotic guy with a knife. And according to the trope page "If the grinning person is holding a knife or an axe, it's definitely a Slasher Smile." So the Hyde picture has that base covered.

edited 28th Jan '11 10:46:12 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#57: Jan 28th 2011 at 11:11:34 AM

"because I'm tired of the Joker being (what feels like) the default page image for anything even vaguely related." - Madrugada

But that's not a reason why the Joker image is unfitting to this in and of itself; it's a reason to remove Joker from OTHER page images that he might be unfitting to.

Why isn't it a good reason to not put him on yet another page that he isn't already on? You asked for the reason I prefer Mr Hyde. That's the reason.

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#58: Jan 28th 2011 at 11:41:48 AM

"Also, Joker isn't a clear example. He's Glasgow Grin just as often as this." - shimaspawn

But is it a Glasgow Grin in that particular picture? It doesn't seem to be, and I would think whether or not the character has a Glasgow Grin in other context (I'm aware he has one in The Dark Knight) wouldn't be particularly relevant to that.

"Also, I'm pretty sure the highest Joker picture is up on another page already, so we can't use it." - shimaspawn

What page, exactly?

EDIT: Also...

"You asked for the reason I prefer Mr Hyde." - Madrugada

True enough, but it was for the purposes of discussion. Sorry if I come across as too argumentative, but I think the reasons for preferring Mr Hyde should be scrutinized a bit before putting up the image of him.

In this case, saying the character is overused is more of a reason for removing him from pages for which he's clearly unfitting, rather than a reason to put him on one he might be otherwise fitting for. (Granted, that doesn't necessarily make him a fitting option either, but that's where we get into other reasons.)

edited 28th Jan '11 11:46:10 AM by neoYTPism

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#59: Jan 28th 2011 at 11:46:37 AM

Whether or not Joker's grin is Glasgow or Slasher in that particular picture has nothing to do with whether or not he blurs the line (and is therefore less of a clear example) of Slasher Smile in general.

One is a malevolent grin, one is a malevolent grin plus a knife plus a reflection of fearful-looking reactions/victims. Also, one is cartoony/monstrous and the other is a real person. Mr. Hyde is better in two dozen ways. Dunno, people responded with votes, it seems weird to demand they respond with words.

PS: That isn't a "generic grin" at all. It is very unnatural (in fact) and very unfriendly (in opinion). In a genuine smile, facial muscles pull the corners of the mouth up; in that one, the corners are pulled to the side and the lower lip is pulled down, and baring teeth like that tends to be a sign of fear or aggression in mammals. Also smiles usually extend to the eyes, and those eyes look distinctly ill-intentioned (cover up the lower half of his face with your hand).

edited 28th Jan '11 11:59:19 AM by rodneyAnonymous

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#60: Jan 28th 2011 at 4:03:32 PM

[up]Basically my view, explained in more detail.

Hyde has a clear lead, so I see no reason not to put him up.

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#61: Jan 28th 2011 at 4:28:13 PM

Here's the thing with the Joker. Canonically, as I understand the character, his mouth is supposed to be more or less frozen in that rictus grin because of the transformation...he can talk normally, but his mouth always returns to the grin. Thus, it's a version of a Glasgow Grin, and not a true Slasher Smile. The Hyde pic covers the latter trope adequately, and is a clear favorite in the crowner, so let's go with it.

edited 28th Jan '11 4:28:47 PM by Willbyr

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#62: Jan 28th 2011 at 7:00:08 PM

Added the Hyde picture. It's a clear leader in the crowner, and it has a pretty strong consensus in this thread.

I'll leave it to somebody else to add the pothole and witty caption.

edited 28th Jan '11 7:00:34 PM by JapaneseTeeth

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#63: Jan 28th 2011 at 8:19:41 PM

Yeah, we may as well stick with the Hyde one at this point. o.o

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